Random EV thoughts.....

Not anymore unfortunately, the scheme ended last year

Well the tolls are the same regardless of which company you pick

It's more down to how you pay and what any monthly fees are

Eflow is bill pay for example, and Easy trip uses prepaid credit

There are some differences is which roads are covered which mostly seems to boil down to whichever county council is having an argument with the toll tag company

I never heard the last part before. I thought eToll meant that any tag would work at any toll in the country? And I’m fairly sure that county councils, other than DCC don’t have anything to do with tolls.

Depreciation will be cruel for sure, but it’s not his problem as he said he was leasing - the lease cost on the PHEV was hundreds more per month - can’t remember exactly but his saving running the diesel was substantial including fuel cost.

I often can’t believe the low low lease rates they get in England, stuff like M4’s look almost affordable

if you watched the video he went into a lot of detail on the numbers. It’s pretty simple - the lease monthlies on the hybrid were bonkers versus the diesel and he’d never do enough miles to recoup the cost.

imagine someone spending their own money on a car you don’t agree with yourself …..🙄

It's not that straight forward. Depends on the lease. But a general error a lot of people make is to class loan repayments as costs. They are not. Depreciation / interest / opportunity costs of money, etc. are costs.

I'm not mixed up ;-)

And yes I know the argument people use for justifying the choice of leasing / renting vs buying in that they can make more money elsewhere if they don't tie up their capital. From my experience in industry, this is often fanciful

Well that trip back to the 1990s was fun. Thank you. 😶

hear me out...

vehicle: 2022-2023 tesla m3 60kWh

return trip to dublin three times a week (not necessarily consecutive days), each 403km trip consists of 90mins on motorway and 30 mins on regional road.

Leaving home with 100% battery (LFP so should be fine to charge to 100%) abrp says a stop at ballacolla to add 11kW of juice is required on the return trip with 54kW needed (approx. 8 hours on a 7kW charger) when i get home to bring the battery back up to 100% for the next morning.

using my current flogas tariff with a night rate of 20 cents and the tesla suc rate of 49 cents i estimate the return journey to cost €16 per day, €48 per week (3 trips) and €2,234 per year (46 weeks).

my current 1.0 seat ateca costs at present €40 per day, €120 per week (3 trips) and €5,515 per year (46 weeks) which is a whopping difference of €3,321 per year.

my first question: do my maths add up, does the above sound about right?

second question: if i can save €3,321 per year by doing the 50k journey and keep the car for 3 years it'll have 150k on the odometer by the end of year 3 plus whatever was on it when bought second hand... so lets say 200k on the odometer. are there any known issues with model 3's with that sort of mileage? i would look to sell at that stage and buy another 2 year old using cash from the sale plus the fuel savings which i estimate would be a total of circa 28-32k to put towards the next car - i reckon a 5 year old m3 with that sort of mileage would be worth 18 to 22k (probably closer to 18k tbh).

third question: a LR could just about do it without stopping (7% left)...saving €780 per year....would it be worth looking at picking up a 2 year old LR instead? they can't be charged to 100% right?

fourth question: is this all bonkers? lol

Here's the Flogas deal, officially you were supposed to have signed up to the BWG deal last year but I'm not sure they'll actually stop you from signing up

They will stop you, I tried.

:)

That's great thanks. Good to know I'm on the right track.

I just thought of another variable. The Byd seal rwd has a 82kwh LFP battery. There'll be a few of them floating around second hand in three or so years time and should, i reckon, be retailing at 25 to 30k range by then. That car would rule out the need for a stop by solely being able to charge from home.

It's a pity they weren't launched three years ago 🤣

Actually you're spot on, never thought of VW.

There's loads of second hand 77kWh ID4's out there, not so many 77kWh ID3's though which would be more fun to drive.

You don't mention where you are starting off. Ideally you need multiple charging options as backup and in case your plans change. The sums might be ok. Compare to diesel car consumption too.

Depreciation is probably biggest cost, you want to minimise buying cost, cost of credit, yet with high mileage any car will be worth far less in no.time.