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Waterford North Quays

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Still nothing from Harcourt.

    20+ years of dereliction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    Ok so back to the drawing board again for another decade of discussion to put a few small retail units in a place where retailers simply have no interest.

    Meanwhile our chance to provide major retailers with the most exciting development in Ireland in the last 20 years has been scrapped because people think it won't work. By that logic, we shouldn't be building the hotel or the offices either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    I see the Minister for Public Expenditure was down there yesterday, and I also heard the CEO of Irish Rail talking about passengers being able to use the new train station by June 2026.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭mart 23


    How many platforms will the new station have ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Valhalla90


    Two I believe as it’s going to be a dual track passing through the new station.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    So a single track un-electrified railway.

    A complete lack of any ambition or vision. We should have dual-tracked electrified lines on standard gauge between all the major towns. Give the old twisty alignments over to the cyclists. It's a national problem, country is run by dullards serving up mind-numbing mediocrity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    What sort of future rail demand are you anticipating…..?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Electrifying Ireland's railways is somewhat outside the scope of Waterford's North Quays project!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,403 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...in order to truly meet our environmental targets and requirements, and meet our future needs, we need to significantly increase our rail network to do so, in order to provide a real alternative than the private car, we havent invested or expanded our rail network significantly for decades, so much so, we re now way behind most other advanced European countries.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    This is going a bit off topic but its very b unlikely that a relatively sparsely populated country like Ireland will develop a ‘European standard’ rail network. The costs would be eye-watering and would most likely have a negative business case / cost benefit…..just look how long the metro link to the airport is going on and not one section of new track/sleeper has yet been laid……



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,403 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...yup, lets keep things as they are, as im sure, it ll all be grand!

    ...our current lack of modern public transport definitely isnt holding us back, definitely not!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    Wateford’s lack of public transport of Ireland’s overall lack of it..?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Country is infested with this can't do nothing about nothing mentality. It's a disease. Some much energy spent on finding reasons not to do a thing.

    It's why this county will never amount to much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    So are you saying that the country has not progressed in the last 25 years……..?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    The Greens only way of meeting our environmental targets is by putting the kibosh on critical infrastructure investment like the airport.


    I just simply hate this negative destroy, deconstruct, and disassemble attitude when we should be innovating, investing and invigorating!

    Outside of cycle lanes and ferrys they are absolutely clueless!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Your tone suggest to me you're part of the problem not the solution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Correct. Small minds and small solutions are not suitable for big problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭914


    Here can we stick to the North Quays as this project has little effect on national transport policy.

    Save the political chat for another thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Fair enough.

    Setting Harcourt aside (which increasingly looks like reality) the only development left on the table is the publicly funded transport hub and a footbridge over to it.

    I'm saying a train station at the end of single-track unelectrified branch line won't amount to much. It's scale will be moderate at best and certainly not a statement piece in terms of architecture or infrastructure. Probably not a nice place to spend time in. My understanding is it will be coupled together with a bus and coach interchange - so a positive there. It is also my understanding that private operators will not have access to the site - which is absolute madness.

    Essentially after all the photo-ops, renders, Saudis, a tranche of Ministers etc. etc. we will be left with a footbridge over to a half-ar$ed bus station - with a few trains tagged on. That silly little shuttle bus they show in the renders will soon be decommissioned - through lacklustre footfall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    There are enough negatives there to satisfy even the most down beat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    You're confusing likely outcomes based on reasoned suppositions with a blanket 'can't be done' mentality. One is situational the other is a toxic mind-set that infests the fabric of society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Verbose comment does not hide the fact that your opinions seem already set. "I'm saying a train station at the end of single-track unelectrified branch line won't amount to much. It's scale will be moderate at best and certainly not a statement piece in terms of architecture or infrastructure. Probably not a nice place to spend time in".

    We have moved on from complaining that it wont be built to writing it off before its finished. A tad unfair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭914


    "we will be left with a footbridge over to a half-ar$ed bus station - with a few trains tagged on"

    To be fair, having the bridge in place, transport hub and all the other infrastructure, road, water mains, flood defence in place makes the site a far better proposition for private development.

    The site also isn't as straight forward as a green field site. I would presume the dock all needs to be reinforced prior to any building being put in place meaning it might be somewhat of a challenge and hence the possible delay in harcourt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭invara


    I am hopeful that Harcourt is still working away on a plan for this, we know the landscape is changing quickly for developers- interest rates, and a rapidly changing market for office and retail and cost of living squeeze. But the site is an exceptional opportunity and the magic formula is out there, as the city continues its demographic growth.

    From a design perspective, I know many wish to see a slow, incremental build-out of the site- less likely to make a big, lasting mistake. From an economic standpoint, I obviously want the big leap forward.

    Fingers crossed. Elsewhere in the city private developers are trying to shape up things, with little to no support from Govt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,403 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...with rising concerns over commercial real estate, you d wonder, will this impact these projects to....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭Flow Motion


    Traffic is a nightmare. No point complaining to the WCCC. Skewed swapping two laned traffic cone madness. Queues @ random times. In both directions. Kids walking to school on the road at times. Surely it could have been better planned. Piecemeal @ best. Put it this way : it wouldnt happen if it twas on the Dunmore Road!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    You are talking through your sh1tty hole……do you or did u experience da works on da recent works on da williamstown road/fearonsonneen rbt..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Does anyone have a recent render of what the train station will look like?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭Flow Motion


    Calm down and take a drive over to Ferrybank some day fella.... Waterford doesnt revolve around the golden circle locus of the Dunmore Road FFS😉



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