Waterford North Quays

merlante

Finally, more progress on the north quays.

A mile and a half of land, 13.5 acres, which comprises the entire north quay of Waterford, has just been put on the market. It is thought that it will fetch ?1m per acre.

A competition was run to find the best architectural design, and a detailed planning proposal has already been prepared for Bord Planala. It looks like it might actually start next year!

The design looks impressive:
http://www.opw.ie/waterfordquays/index.html

Hopefully the development will happen in one phase, and not in bits and pieces over a period of years.

mike65

Its about time too. They've been promising this for at least 5-6 years now.
Sadly I expect it'll be developed piecemeal and take far too long.

Holy smoke! I just looked at the winning design and they're keeping the grain silos in place. I thought they should be gone years ago.

Mike.

Aquos76

mike65 wrote:

Its about time too. They've been promising this for at least 5-6 years now.
Sadly I expect it'll be developed piecemeal and take far too long.

Holy smoke! I just looked at the winning design and they're keeping the grain silos in place. I thought they should be gone years ago.

Mike.

Mike, where did you see the design? I know it's on display in the goverment buildings down in the glen, but just wondering if anyone has come accross it on line.

merlante

Leonard wrote:

Mike, where did you see the design? I know it's on display in the goverment buildings down in the glen, but just wondering if anyone has come accross it on line.

There's a link to the design specs of the four best designs on the page I linked to.

merlante

mike65 wrote:

Its about time too. They've been promising this for at least 5-6 years now.
Sadly I expect it'll be developed piecemeal and take far too long.

Holy smoke! I just looked at the winning design and they're keeping the grain silos in place. I thought they should be gone years ago.

Mike.

Well it will have to be somewhat co-ordinated or it will never look like the actual design.

I did see something that looked like the silos but are they actually 'the' silos? Presumably they'd be done up at least?

Well the overall design looks good, I hope it pans out as envisaged.

kano476

Heres the plans and some graphics of it. looks very impressive a new bridge and all. not sure if they will actually go ahead with bridge though as there was talk of a big marina and a dock for cruise liners on the north side.

all we need now is proper roads to the rest of the country.
north quay pics

kano476

oh and the silos and the big white factory part with the tall ships poster on it appear to still be there but the rest of the factory is gone

mike65

Is'nt it loverly? Give me a big bomb....

Mike.

DéiseGirl

the horror...Thanks for that Mike!!

arip

Hopefully they'll do something nice with the North Quay. Those old silos have a familiar rustic charm but ultimately are eye sores.

Hopefully something decent could be done about the Quay from the bridge to the plaza. The place is covered with little car parks. Surely in this day and age another purpose built multistorey car park and maybe even another underground could be built. Any other city would line any bit of water they have with a decent boulevard or something like they did by building the plaza.

Cm:lp

ToxicPaddy

mike65 wrote:

Is'nt it loverly? Give me a big bomb....

Mike.

Ahh Im gonna set that as me desktop wallpaper just to remind me of home..



Tox

ToxicPaddy

haterape wrote:

Hopefully they'll do something nice with the North Quay. Those old silos have a familiar rustic charm but ultimately are eye sores.

Anyone reckon that when they have finished with that they will do something
with the Ard Rí.. like level the place and build a decent looking hotel up
there.. now THATS and eyesore.. :rolleyes:

Tox

kano476

actually they are making it bigger! 90 more rooms, a nursing home and a new leisure centre. maybe it will get a facelift in the process.

old metropole site will be a 7/8 storey hotel aswell.

mike65

Browsing the WLR site theres is a news story that says the sale of the north quay property is imminent or it may have happened just not announced.

Mike.

merlante

As I understand it, they are teetering on the bring of selling it. But fisherman, I believe, have come along in the nick of time with their hands out, presumably. There's some crowd that use the north wharf for something or other and they claim that there's nowhere else they can berth their boats, or something. Looks likes they are planning on trouble unless their palms are lined with silver. The usual story.

The port shouldn't have to care, but these guys have got some publicity. Next McCann will be in there with an objection of his own. We can't have a development of this scale in an overgrown village like Waterford! It should be returned to the way it was in vikings times!

Sully

Recently a part of it was just sold... When is this development starting?

- Sully

Dunmoreroader

Seeing as the more recent thread got closed, I'm posting here - can't believe we've been talking about the North Quays development for so long, hopefully we'll see tower cranes and hairy-arsed builders on site soon.
Anyway, here's what I wanted to share; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/19/saudi-accounts-emerge-of-ritz-carlton-night-of-the-beating
Weren't the Al Hokair boys caught up in this? Hope the 350 mil for the North Quays didn't fall out of their pockets into the Saudi exchequer while they were having the soles of their feet beaten with sticks. :eek:

Harry Palmr

They were but the company is not the person.

Wanderer78

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Seeing as the more recent thread got closed, I'm posting here - can't believe we've been talking about the North Quays development for so long, hopefully we'll see tower cranes and hairy-arsed builders on site soon.
Anyway, here's what I wanted to share; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/19/saudi-accounts-emerge-of-ritz-carlton-night-of-the-beating
Weren't the Al Hokair boys caught up in this? Hope the 350 mil for the North Quays didn't fall out of their pockets into the Saudi exchequer while they were having the soles of their feet beaten with sticks. :eek:

id say the funding for the nq's is well secure, major developers such as are well able to service the debts required for such projects, theyd have significant assets globally to back them

Harry Palmr

Bit odd this thread has it's origins in 2004.

Did anyone else get this weeks N&S? It's got articles about other regeneration schemes around the centre but that's probably for the Waterford Developments thread.

Wanderer78

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Bit odd this thread has it's origins in 2004.

Did anyone else get this weeks N&S? It's got articles about other regeneration schemes around the centre but that's probably for the Waterford Developments thread.

was the land sold on after the crash to the current owners?

Harry Palmr

Wanderer78 wrote: »

was the land sold on after the crash to the current owners?

Not sure but I've been rooting about and found these from the previous proposals

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/plan-chosen-to-regenerate-waterford-s-north-quays-1.1098999
http://www.arcoquattro.it/en/portfolio_page/waterford-north-quays-waterford-ireland-2002/ some elements are still current others reflect changes since 2002.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BmnebvN1ec

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The first part of the NQ work will be completely rejigging the quay sections that are supported by piles, they'll all come out and a new support infrastructure dropped in.

Aquos76

MOD Warning:

I’ll be keeping a close eye on this one now lads, and hint of it getting out of hand like the last one, it’s getting shut down. This is the only warning people are going to get. The amount of reported posts in the last one was unreal.

Dunmoreroader

Aquos76 wrote: »

MOD Warning:

I’ll be keeping a close eye on this one now lads, and hint of it getting out of hand like the last one, it’s getting shut down. This is the only warning people are going to get. The amount of reported posts in the last one was unreal.

I hope you're not talking about me? I can't go to the pub and bore the lads and the other half won't listen to my..... musings. Where else can I go to talk sh1te?

Aquos76

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

I hope you're not talking about me? I can't go to the pub and bore the lads and the other half won't listen to my..... musings. Where else can I go to talk sh1te?

Those who derailed the previous thread know exactly who I am aiming this at.

BBM77

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Seeing as the more recent thread got closed, I'm posting here - can't believe we've been talking about the North Quays development for so long, hopefully we'll see tower cranes and hairy-arsed builders on site soon.
Anyway, here's what I wanted to share; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/19/saudi-accounts-emerge-of-ritz-carlton-night-of-the-beating
Weren't the Al Hokair boys caught up in this? Hope the 350 mil for the North Quays didn't fall out of their pockets into the Saudi exchequer while they were having the soles of their feet beaten with sticks. :eek:

It fell out of your's and everyone else's pocket from the petrol and diesel we by.

Asdfgh2020

Does anyone think this project will be built without a mosque being incorporated into it somewhere......they better ensure that the toilets are orientated correctly...:)

Flyin Irishman

Asdfgh2020 wrote: »

Does anyone think this project will be built without a mosque being incorporated into it somewhere......they better ensure that the toilets are orientated correctly...:)

Never thought of it, but it'd be great to see a purpose-built mosque in Waterford. Crazy that one hasn't been built already

smellyoldboot

Flyin Irishman wrote: »

Never thought of it, but it'd be great to see a purpose-built mosque in Waterford. Crazy that one hasn't been built already

In what way would it be "great"? We in need of some more "cultural enrichment"?

Wanderer78

Harry Palmr wrote:

Not sure but I've been rooting about and found these from the previous proposals

Was it in nama I wonder?

Wanderer78

BBM77 wrote:

It fell out of your's and everyone else's pocket from the petrol and diesel we by.

Partly id imagine, as far as I can see, these folks are largely into real estate, so majority of their wealth is probably coming from there, maybe

BBM77

Asdfgh2020 wrote: »

Does anyone think this project will be built without a mosque being incorporated into it somewhere......they better ensure that the toilets are orientated correctly...:)

Probably not in the north quays, but it would not be unreasonable to build a mosque in Waterford. There is enough Muslims around to justify it.

Flow Motion

Flyin Irishman wrote: »

In the way that it would give Waterford's muslim population a purpose-built place to worship...

I visited the Blue Mosque and the Hagia Sophia while I was in Istanbul. Pretty spectacular places both. Esp the Hagia Sophia : was largest Christian church in Roman Empire then the Ottomans took it over.
Any chance we could have a replica please? The former Jurys site would be a good spot IMO.

Harry Palmr

The architects site about NQ

https://fhp-architects.com/north-quays-waterford/
https://fhp-architects.com/projects/north-quays-master-plan/

Flyin Irishman

Flow Motion wrote: »

I visited the Blue Mosque and the Hagia Sophia while I was in Istanbul. Pretty spectacular places both. Esp the Hagia Sophia : was largest Christian church in Roman Empire then the Ottomans took it over.
Any chance we could have a replica please? The former Jurys site would be a good spot IMO.

If we're going for all-out spectacular, my vote is still with the 'Guardian of the Déise' statue proposal for sheer ludicrousness

south

Flyin Irishman wrote: »

If we're going for all-out spectacular, my vote is still with the 'Guardian of the Déise' statue proposal for sheer ludicrousness

That hasn't gone away!

Aquos76

Let's keep the threat on topic please

Asdfgh2020

spaceCreated wrote: »

But the real question is could we do like a deal where we build a mosque and they provide us with a few hundred million. Theres plenty of land up there in Grace Dieu we could stick 5 or 6 of them up there.

Off topic again above.....in any case will the proposed development of the NQ’s be the catalyst for the redevelopment of the Ard Ri site and also the proposed cable car connection etc that has previously proposed. Could it also get the rail link to Wexford town back up and running...there are also countless other things that could/should be built such as the third river Suir bridge somewhere in the vicinity of the tower hotel.....etc etc

friendlyfun

What's the craic with the cable car? Is it only a suggestion? Imagine going from the Are Rí to Treacys hotel lol

Wanderer78

Asdfgh2020 wrote:

Off topic again above.....in any case will the proposed development of the NQ’s be the catalyst for the redevelopment of the Ard Ri site and also the proposed cable car connection etc that has previously proposed. Could it also get the rail link to Wexford town back up and running...there are also countless other things that could/should be built such as the third river Suir bridge somewhere in the vicinity of the tower hotel.....etc etc

I'd imagine something will be done with that site now, it's value will be rocketing, a third bridge maybe needed now, with the increase in traffic

Wanderer78

friendlyfun wrote:

What's the craic with the cable car? Is it only a suggestion? Imagine going from the Are Rí to Treacys hotel lol

It sounds like it's a serious proposal, lovely idea to

vriesmays

A cable car, a giant statue, a 17-floor apartment block. Waterford is turning into those forgotten towns in the American mid-West that have statues of a plastic dinosaur or ball of elastic bands to make themselves feel important.

Dunmoreroader

vriesmays wrote: »

A cable car, a giant statue, a 17-floor apartment block. Waterford is turning into those forgotten towns in the American mid-West that have statues of a plastic dinosaur or ball of elastic bands to make themselves feel important.

Yes that Statue of Liberty is sooo lame in the one-horse town in the US, can't remember what it's called...and that Montjuic cable car in some sleepy Spanish backwater with no tourists...hmmm... what's it called again? :rolleyes:
And what's wrong with elastic bands, we did invent the Gallybander here in Waterford did we not? :cool:

spaceCreated

Asdfgh2020 wrote: »

Off topic again above.....in any case will the proposed development of the NQ’s be the catalyst for the redevelopment of the Ard Ri site and also the proposed cable car connection etc that has previously proposed. Could it also get the rail link to Wexford town back up and running...there are also countless other things that could/should be built such as the third river Suir bridge somewhere in the vicinity of the tower hotel.....etc etc

Glass houses and that...

Finnbar01

friendlyfun wrote: »

What's the craic with the cable car? Is it only a suggestion? Imagine going from the Are Rí to Treacys hotel lol

We wanted a cable car but we'll have to make do with a zip line.

Wanderer78

Finnbar01 wrote: »

We wanted a cable car but we'll have to make do with a zip line.

even better

smellyoldboot

Finnbar01 wrote: »

We wanted a cable car but we'll have to make do with a zip line.

A daycent big slingshot could cut the journey time from the Ard Ri to Ballybricken down to 10 seconds.

Aquos76

If I see another derogatory post in this thread about mosques then I’m shutting this thread down.

Dunmoreroader

Aquos76 wrote: »

If I see another derogatory post in this thread about mosques then I’m shutting this thread down.

How about banning offenders rather than closing down threads??

friendlyfun

Interesting the amount of radical right accounts that they to shoehorn their race into absolutely every discussion.

Aquos76

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

How about banning offenders rather than closing down threads??

If you ban someone for having a different view then there would be no one left here