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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    In the Iowa caucus, it was reported as an overwhelming victory for Trump. He go 56,000 votes which is 51% of the vote. That is a very low turn-out and was a very threatening experience for non-Trump voters as the 'vote' was done by public acclamation - not a secret ballot.

    The media are bigging up his vote bigly. If Hailey is getting 40% of the vote, then that is a lot for a no chance candidate.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    That didn't hamper turnout in 2020. There is a much larger enthusiasm gap this time round it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,329 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    The weather conditions their was absolutely brutal in Iowa though which depressed the vote. South Carolina I think the RCP average was something like 23 points which was close enough to the final result, their was some silly polls which suggested a 30 point win which was never on.

    Don't think their was much polling in Michigan and tbf its a tough state to poll. Nevada a blow out also. New Hampshire was poor enough but nonetheless an easy enough win considering Haley threw the kitchen sink at it with Sunanu everywhere and Dems coming out to vote for her.

    Regarding the 40% whether those voted Haley or RDS etc previously , they will be coming home for November , anyone who thinks that Trump is only going to get 60% of the GOP primary voters needs to turn of MSNBC immediately.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I hope you’re right. But the state and national polling says otherwise

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Correct. Trump will get over 90% of the GOP vote. They have no shame, they’ll home their noses and vote on party lines.


    Currently Trump is polling well in unaffiliated, swing voters. Which is absolutely insane.


    In a sane world Trump wouldn’t be getting a single vote. But that’s not the reality in the US. He’s in with a very good chance of winning in November. It’s a coin toss.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Biden is vulnerable??? Just look at this word salad right out from trump's own mouth. ..


    “The radical left Democrats are at it again. They're constantly making up stories about me because their candidate is a mental and physical basket case. There's never been anything like it. He's also the worst president in the history of our country. He went on a very poorly rated show last night, and he talked about Donald Trump and his wife, I don't know the name of my wife.

    He was referring to the fact that at CPAC (Conservative Political Action Conference), where I had a sold out speech, the biggest audience they've had in years, I think maybe ever. I made the statement that Melania was very popular because when I mentioned her name, the audience went wild. I then looked at the two people, man and wife, Matt and Mercedes Schlapp, and I said, ‘Wow, they really like the first lady.’ So this got taken as the fact that I thought Mercedes was the first lady, has nothing to do with that.

    These people are really dishonest. They are absolutely something. They have a horrible candidate who's a horrible president. They make up things constantly. You take a look at when I use Barack Hussein Obama and I interject him into where it's supposed to be Biden, and I do it purposely for comedic reasons and for sarcasm because a lot of people say that Obama's running the country, not Biden, because he's sleeping all the time. They say, ‘Oh, I don't know the name of the president.’ Or when I imitate this guy getting off a stage, what they do is they say, ‘Oh, he had trouble getting off a stage.’ I have no trouble getting off a stage. Anybody that watches what I do at rallies would say, ‘Wow, that's amazing. He can go two hours without a teleprompter, not making even a little mistake.’ Very few people, maybe almost nobody, can do what I do.

    So here's the story. The disinformation of the Democrats is unbelievable. They do it because they have a horrible candidate.


    “Don't associate me with the mental midget that you portray because I want to tell you, he should not be leading this country. And hopefully on November 5, he's not going to be. We're going to have a big election, we're going to have a big victory, and we're going to make America great again.”





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,329 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Republican voters always come home and yeah Trump will retain around 90% of the GOP base.

    The positives for Biden is the nugget I have seen in a polls where a criminal conviction might be just to much for some swing voters.

    Biden can win, but he somehow needs to resolve the Israel situation and then the border. Trump and the GOP are obviously been cynical about it, but looking at polling for November unfortunately it is working, voters are blaming the man in charge Biden for the mess rather than the GOP. That sucks but heh welcome to politics sadly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,699 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    None of that matters to the Trumpists, and the people who are still undecided.... How in the name of jehova can anyone still be 'undecided' on Trump in 2024?

    If they're undecided then they don't care that he comes across as as mad as a bag of frogs when you read his transcripts, these people don't read any transcripts unless they're on some conspiracy theory website that makes them feel like they're smarter than everyone else because they don't trust the 'Mainstream Media'

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Yep, the GOP are actively working against the best interests of the US and Biden shoulders the blame. It’s amazing to watch.


    I liked Biden’s move today of inviting Trump in to help him get legislation on the boarder passed. Let’s see how it goes.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The main outstanding hope is that there is very little chance they won't see him talking in the lead up to the actual election which will make him harder to ignore.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,064 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Bottom line, i think, is swing voters probably heavily vote with their pockets.

    And irrespective of the root cause, there's probably a lot of them saying, I had more money in my pockets, and rates were lower while Business Man Trump was president.

    I think that, if the fed start cutting sooner rather than later, there will be a shift back away from Trump (inflation was back down to 2.4% last month, so its pointing that way if things continue thar direction)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,716 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    For what it's worth [given that I have come to have doubts about the reliability of the Daily Mail when it come to reporting on Trump] that media outlet, as of 46 minutes ago, began running a report that SCOTUS may announce tomorrow on whether Trump can appear on Colorado's ballot - and also in the general election. The Daily Mail report mentions the NYT as reporting that SCOTUS may make an announcement on that issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,716 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    One other item on the legal front for Trump is the claim made by Andy Litinsky and Wes Moss [owners of a Company - United Atlantic Ventures] who entered into a partnership with Trump about an online site [Truth Social] they claim is their idea. The two gents started legal action against Trump several years back after he apparently began negotiations with another company [DWAC] about merging Truth Social with that Co. The two claimants say in their case against Trump that as part of his negotiations with the other company, he downsized their ownership percentage of Truth Social from around 10 percent to around 2 percent, depriving them of several hundred million US$ they estimate their ownership percentage of truth Social would earn them in a deal with DWAC. The two men had competed on and met Trump on his "The Apprentice" tv show.

    The outcome or settlement of the case would presumably reduce the sum Trump may have sought from DWAC and hurt his business acumen and probable value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Biden is now out to 2/1 with Paddy Power to be re-elected



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,329 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Much bigger with the exchanges btw.

    I don't think betting means much here, the price on Michelle seems very silly,,I know never say never but unless Trump is leading the polls by double digits which will never happen due to how polarizing he is then I don't believe something as outlandish as her replacing him happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




    Michelle Obama being mentioned seems to be entirely a wish cast by people not named Michelle Obama. Unlike Hillary Clinton she has never shown any proclivity toward politics nor dropped any hints that she would ever enter the fray - quite the opposite in fact.

    Biden's going to be the candidate unless he drops dead or becomes incapacitated. If that were to happen it wouldn't be Michelle Obama replacing him.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Can someone explain the Michelle Obama thing: is it just fawning internet types trying to make something happen out of thin air, some passing remark Obama made being taken out of context - or what? My understanding is she'd leap off a cliff before stepping into politics - and IIRC admitted it nearly damaged her relationship with Barack - so not sure what all a sudden there's this rumbling of her name here and there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,716 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    No surprise that the SCOTUS bench decided unanimously that Trump can be on the Colorado ballot. They saved the GOP from the problem of having its candidate running for election in less than the usual number of states, unlike the Dems candidate. A great reflection on the rights of those states to run their own affairs. One cant help wonder what the GOP would do if some states decided to ignore the SCOTUS ruling as the SCOTUS does not seem to have any actual power set in the constitution to enforce its rulings, just the set precedents of the Federal Govt and the State Governments accepting SCOTUS decisions as the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,147 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Michelle as the candidate is a total non-runner. Michelle as the VP candidate might be interesting though. She would bring out those on the fence much more than Kamila.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Michelle Obama has never shown the slightest inclination to get involved in politics and her getting involved would also be an utterly awful further precedent for celebrity over demonstrated competence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    She's basically a proxy for Barack Obama in their eyes. They know that he can't run again so she's the next best thing. Never mind the fact that she's telegraphed fairly explicitly that she doesn't even like politics. She always gave a good speech at the DNC so clearly she's capable (is their logic)

    That's the liberal reasoning. No idea why certain sections of the conservative movement keep bringing it up as a possibility (probably just to undermine Biden)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,329 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    I think she was been bet plenty in 2020 even when it was obvious Biden had the nomination.

    Basically all you need is a few people like Roger Stone, Tucker etc to say this will happen and these guys who basically see conspiracy theories 24/7 get excited talk about it, bet it and then it takes of a life of its own.

    If Biden was to drop out and its a massive if then it would be very hard to side step Harris,,,Newsom has a decent national profile but ultimately his major political achievement is winning in California something which even Harris achieved.

    Ultimately if you are a Dem and want Biden replaced you have to make a compelling argument for your preferred candidate to be a better bet than Joe in the swing stages and their just isn't an obvious choice. Whitmer maybe, but a lot would have to go right for that to happen. Proper conspiracy theory stuff !

    Having a wild convention where a few people fight for the nomination and it would be a very nasty fight is something they really don't need with November not so far anyway.

    Anyway, Biden is only a few points behind Trump, he loses the election if next week but its obviously not so need for anyone to bet their live savings on Trump just yet!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    No idea why certain sections of the conservative movement keep bringing it up as a possibility (probably just to undermine Biden)

    Presumably more base reasons: she's an articulate, confident and broadly positivity focused black woman, so they know invoking her scares them into swinging back to Trump? Better row behind him or else those uppity black folk will come back!

    Projecting my own bias against conservatives but it wouldn't be the first time they deployed race as either attack or defence.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    It’s very simple. They think Obama was a terrible president, which he wasn’t. So they think its a good idea to push the narrative that Obama is still pulling the strings.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Small correction: a terrible president, and he was black. Let's call a spade a spade here. On this point too, worth reminding that on many occasions of late Trump has said Obama when - presumably - he meant to say Biden so you can certainly say Obama's living rent-free in Trump's brain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Completely unintended, actually. I wasn't aware spade was an epithet for an African American; that's the first Ive heard of it. Aware of a bunch of others, but not that one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,749 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Calling a spade a spade is a saying that goes back long before "spade" became a racist epithet. The saying refers to being exact about something. In other words a spade is not a shovel, it's a spade. There's nothing racist about the saying.

    Which, when you think about it, is quite ironic given that many people confuse the idiom's meaning with a racist term.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The term “spade” for a black person comes from the card suit. “As black as the ace of spades”, my grandmother would say.


    I believe that poster meant nothing by it.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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