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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Exactly, it wasn't the valuations that were the issue it was the fact that he changed them repeatedly to benefit him financially.

    Low valuations for tax purposes, High valuations for Insurance claims and for use as loan collateral.

    He can claim anything is worth anything he likes, but he can't use different numbers for his financial benefit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,699 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    He also bragged about it. I remember in some campaign rally in his first campaign, he said that he was too smart to pay his taxes, that taxes are for dumb people, and was bragging about gaming the system by giving different valuations for tax purposes

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,699 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Edit, it was in a debate, not a rally (Here's a link to back that up from 2016)

    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/trump-brags-about-not-paying-taxes-that-makes-me-smart.html

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Trump basically comparing himself to Navalny on Truth Social is a possible new low even for this absolute crook: https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-somehow-ties-navalny-death-to-his-own-legal-woes-minutes-after-nikki-haley-blasts-him-for-protecting-putin-on-fox/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,716 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    One would like to think the wheel has turned full circle with decisions by SCOTUS not to weigh in on lower court decisions in respect to Trump camp followers.

    SCOTUS rejected an appeal by Sidney Powell and six other lawyers allied with Trump over $150,000 in sanctions they were ordered to pay for abusing the court system with a sham lawsuit challenging the 2020 election results in Michigan. The justices did not comment in leaving in place the sanctions against seven lawyers who were part of the lawsuit filed on behalf of six Republican voters after Joe Biden’s 154,000-vote victory over Trump in the state. The money is owed to the state and Detroit, for their costs in defending the lawsuit.

    SCOTUS also declined to hear a constitutional challenge made by Marjorie Taylor Greene and two other GOP House Reps against fines levied against them by the House under its rules for refusing to wear masks on the Hill during the covid epidemic leaving two lower courts decisions against them to stand. Greene had fines levied against her Government officials salary up to $100,000 for breaching the house rules on the masks.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,716 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Thinking of [soon to be] future needs of Trump for collateral funds to satisfy his legal obligations after the court verdicts, have the verdicts had an immediate knock-on effect on NYC property prices [as in driving down prices] given how he may have to unload "valuable" properties onto the market to top up his ready cash to keep the sheriff from the door?

    It presumably would hurt him if the market declined to buy his properties at the valuations he put on them but insisted on deals at lower prices. I just don't think there would be many ready to provide him with loans using the properties as collateral.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,575 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    He'll put up a bail bond which will be only a fraction of the fines themselves; the only question is how much the bail bond company charges based on Trump's history and what securities they will accept as NY has a 6% maximum cost for a bond.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    A lesson "Trump camp followers" have rather failed to learn is that they never have and never will enjoy the same immunity, trust and loyalty that Trump enjoys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,923 ✭✭✭Wossack


    The recent finding regarding the property chicanery, I presume that was purely state damages? Or are private enterprises to be compensated by those monies? I ask as I wonder does it open the door for further litigation from those enterprises who may have been hurt by the fraud..?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Purely state level.

    I doubt any of the banks will want to pursue that as their role in it all will get scrutinized which they probably don't want



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,716 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It's hard to find genuine at face-value news items about Trump in the online print media nowadays as the media seems to be running competitions as to which can run stories bashing or praising him, sometimes even both in single outlets, on which to evaluate how he is doing in the eyes of the public.

    A few days ago, there were several reports on a member of his family promoting the idea that the RNC should pay Trumps legal fees as he is was the GOP president and represented the party. This happened after some unidentified sources in the GOP ran with the idea in the media.

    Cue a story in todays Daily Digest running a story that Rudy Giuliani is claiming that Trump and the RNC owe him US $2,000,000 in unpaid legal fees for cases he filed to challenge the 2020 election result.

    Its worth noting that the Digest report seems to be based on a New York Post report.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,147 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,575 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Rudy's story is from his filings for bankruptcy and Rudy expected to be paid for work without a contract which is a "yea, best of luck" kind of thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,333 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Well hes about to get his own person in as the new Chairperson of the RNC so we can expect him to drain their accounts dry to serve whatever legal needs he requires. Will be very interesting to see what happens in this election if he continues burning money on non election based activities while Biden is out raising him quite consistently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,445 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    That's a pity, I was hoping it'd drain money from the RNC and flow to Rudy's creditors instead.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,716 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    And if he doesn't get re-elected, will the chair suffer the deserved fate for bankrupting the party for the loser or seek donations from the party fanbase that will be ringfenced [for once] from the loser's grip?

    Ta@VL: I've just seen the Salon report by Gabrielle Ferrigine that Trump has publicly endorsed Michael Whatley, the R.N.C.'s general counsel and a proponent of his fraudulent election claims, to serve in McDaniel's stead after Ronna retires from the RNC Chairpersons job on March 8 next.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,716 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Senator McConnell has announced his retirement from his position as the GOP Senate leader saying he will be serving out his term as a senator until Jan 2027 but from a different seat in the senate to the one he is occupying now, as he put it "albeit from a different seat in the chamber" which he will move to on a date in Nov next.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,716 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    In breaking news, SCOTUS has decided to hear and consider Trumps claim of presidential immunity from prosecution in April over his involvement in the election interference case putting on hold the criminal case being pursued by Jack Smith and will review a lower court's rejection of Trumps immunity from prosecution because he was president when he took actions aimed at reversing Biden's election victory over him.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,606 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    If they find that the President has that kind of immunity, there's not much separating the US from a tin pot dictatorship. Could have some pretty mad ramifications in the future unless it gets covered off with an explicit law change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭thamus doku


    But American presidents have been killing innocent civilians for decades and no other president has been prosecuted. I thought all American presidents had immunity while in office. I don’t understand why he is gone after and others are not. Same for the documents found at his house, Biden did the same and nothing happened.

    i seriously in good faith want someone to explain to me what the hell is going on.

    Also why trump inflating his property values to get more loans is bad when every other person who applies for a mortgage does the exact the same thing with their income and savings

    I don’t care about politics and if trump wins or not does not bother me, I just can’t grasp how he is any different to any other power hungry megalomaniac who is involved in politics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    I want you to tell me in good faith why Nixon needed a pardon if he was already immune to prosecution? Do you honestly think Biden should be allowed to have Trump killed if he so wished? Russia style politics? Feel free to go after other presidents yourself if you can find what laws have been broken.


    Not everyone lies on mortgage applications. Maybe you should have a chat with local law enforcement.


    Biden returned documents, Trump attempted to hide them.


    You ask for a good faith argument but it comes down to other people in the world have done crimes so why bother prosecute any? Which is obviously complete nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Re the documents case:

    As soon as Biden (and Pence as well) were notified, they opened up their houses to be searched, and were sorry about it. Genuine mistake.

    Compare that to Trumps approach.

    Moving boxes in the middle of the night.

    Telling the investigators everything had been handed back, but it wasn't.

    No contrition at all.

    Re: property values

    Do you seriously suggest everyone commits fraud when applying for a mortgage? By inflating his assets, he was charged a lower percent of interest than if he had been honest. Yes, the banks were repaid, yes they made money. But for their shareholders, they were also swindled out of $250+ million in lost interest.


    Oh, he's also a rapist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,716 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    You might ask the Republican party members from all levels of US society who oppose Trump's attempts to change the voting procedures to stay in office and all mortgage applicants why they stay within the laws and small print when looking for loans from banks and finance bodies. Those Republicans and loan applicants seem to think the person elected to the Presidency should do as they do when it comes to complying with the law of the land instead of boasting about being the biggest crook in the land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Also why trump inflating his property values to get more loans is bad when every other person who applies for a mortgage does the exact the same thing with their income and savings


    They do what now?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Trump was accused of declaring a high value on his properties to get better rates from the banks while declaring lower values to reduce his tax liability.

    Which ever way, it is fraud.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I keep saying this, but every time it gets more worrying. If the election was held today, Trump wins easily. Don’t just look at the overall polling, check the states



    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,716 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    According to the internet media, Trumps legal team's latest request to the judge hearing the property fraud case against Trump is to suggest to the judge that because their client is so rich he really doesn't need to set a bond as instructed by the judge in order to ensure he stays withing the US or forfeit the bond.

    It leaves me curious as to how much of Trump's net value and wealth is now banked within the US and how much of it has been transferred out of the US to banks and financial institutions based in countries he is on friendly terms with AND how much his value and wealth has been damaged by the scandals and court rulings against him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,329 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    Yep. You know the usual caveats and tbf they are valid, small volatile samples, early days, Trumps legal issues but right now Trump is the favorite to be president. I like yourself have been following the key state polling and Biden is up against it in so many of them.

    The fact is Trump is in better shape now than he was in 2016 which he won and 2020 where he lost by 40k voters and yeah its alarming tbf.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Trump has significantly underperformed his polling in every single primary so far.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    that's easily explained - he was so far ahead in the polling, people didn't bother voting.


    That won't be the case in November.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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