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Increase in road deaths - questions need to be asked

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  • Posts: 24,009 Draven Magnificent Coyote


    Why does one buy a very fancy car without appreciating and using the technology on board. I had a CH-R hybrid, not a fancy car, not a cheap one either, I got it for the tech on board as well as being a very nice car to drive.



  • Posts: 24,009 Draven Magnificent Coyote


    I’ve booked a rental car for Borneo, Malaysia, to do short distances out from Kuching. Nice to be able to hop in the air conditioned car at times which suit me, carry stuff etc. They drive on the left, have legacy rules of the road, road signs etc from the times of the Brits being in charge. And they certainly don’t drive as in India, there are tons of lovely modern cars on the roads. Yet they have significant road death statistics, as do USA incidently.

    I was checking out reasons for this. Drink driving isn’t a factor, there’s not a drinking culture and alcohol is prohibitively expensive. As a visitor, Tiger or Chinese beer is what you take with your meal. Maybe a drop of imported Sake for a treat.

    The single biggest factor is that only 50% bother wearing seat belts so that when accidents occur the consequences are far more deadly. Aldo far more pedestrians count among the deaths than in other countries, typically walking along the side of country roads. And the floods of the monsoon season is when most of this happens. The bottom line here is that you, as a driver, can avoid these hazards as best you can. It’s generally quite civilised around the cities and indeed you can’t get very fast owing to traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    I think this is a fantastic idea. Somewhere like at the end of the news or in a national paper and published online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    They would if councils actually put accessed speed limits on country roads. It’s really one of the most stupid things when it comes to the roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,141 ✭✭✭Comhrá




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,141 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    In all honesty, who'd be bothered reading that? What purpose would it serve? I don't think anyone who uses a phone while driving would give a hoot about their name being published in a list along with hundreds of other names. You'd want to be fairly hard-up for reading material to be trawling through such a list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,683 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The technical problem with this is that when people are issued with an FCPN, and they pay the fine and take the points, they haven't actually been convicted of anything in Court. So at present, information about their offence is not in the public domain. If they don't pay the initial fine and let it go to Court, then their conviction (including double penalty points) is in the public domain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,392 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    An employer might especially if you are in a company van/car.

    Parents might especially if you are using their car.

    Plus if you live in a small town it only takes one gossipy neighbour to read it for the whole town to know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123



    You could say the same about RIP.ie, especially if you could break it down by county or townland.

    People like to talk, it would be another little thing to gossip about - country towns and villages anyway - maybe not as effective in the dublins and corks of this world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    It’s an idea worth exploring, speeding and mobile phones usage could really shame people into thinking twice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,148 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    It would form a list of arseholes that HR departments would trawl for people to avoid employing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,273 ✭✭✭kirving


    Dismissing a legitimate argument surrounding an absolutely fundamental road safety statistic as "flat earth theory" is ridiculous. It is absolutely NOT about A) wording, or that B) speeding isn't an issue (of course it is), it is that the RSA are unable to reliably assign causation to actually breaking the limit, so they conflate that with "inappropriate speed" in their press releases, because they have done NOTHING to teach people how to drive a car at any reasonable speed.

    Also, the Free Speed Survey was designed from the outset to achieve the desired result so as to prop up the RSA's laser focus on speed, over and above their own training failures. Many unpublished locations, early morning, no traffic, straight roads, no junctions, no hills, no bad weather. Utterly unbelievable selection bias going on there.

    By definition, that methodology is not reflective of how people are killed - there generally needs to be other traffic present for a 2 car collision, or a hill/bend/junction for speeding to be a causation factor in a single vehicle collision - all of which are absent in the Free Speed Survey

    Again (and I can't believe I have to say it, but I'll be called a flat earther if I don't spell it out) I'm not saying that speed isn't an issue, but the RSA are using somewhat irrelevant statistics on speeding to justify their evidently ineffective approach in reducing road deaths, all the while throwing so much money at a private company that the speed camera programme actually loses money.

    Put that money into A) network of fixed point-to-point cameras which would eliminate speeding altogether on key N-routes and B) training for all drivers on car-control on rural roads.

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  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Blaire Uninterested Beginner


    Which the HR probably read on their phone while driving.

    Do you think only unprofessional people use their phone or something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,168 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I'm not entirely sure why you need the RSA to be the sole organisation to tell you unequivocally that inappropriate speed is a factor in accidents. Physics generally works the same everywhere.

    If your point is that RSA is bad. There are less verbose ways of making that point.

    https://www.mayonews.ie/news/home/1365948/opinion-is-the-rsa-fit-for-purpose.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,385 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Just turn off your bluetooth on the phone, then it does not connect to the car but you can pick it up to read the stuff coming in. Is that better?



  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Blaire Uninterested Beginner


    yeah like I just said there are holes in any idea.

    Block the signal and you’ll mess with passengers phones.

    Bluetooth can easily be disabled or ignored.

    For every idea there will be a way to circumvent it or a problem that makes it untenable. However if we continue to just problems after problems as opposed to trialling solutions we are pissing into the wind.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Did you even read the links I posted?

    It explains how iit works. Basics are- RFID chip in phone, low power rfid reader in car on drivers side with a range of less than 1 meter. If the rfid detects a phone in that rfid "bubble" on the drivers side the phone wont work. Passenger phones outside of the bubble so to speak will still work. So even if the driver brings another phone that wont work either, But it would have to be in conjunction with the phone and car companies to implement it. Simpler explanation here.



    Their prototype system, as described in an article published yesterday in the International Journal of Enterprise Network Management, uses radio-frequency identification (RFID) technology to automatically detect whether a car is in motion and if the driver is attempting to use a mobile phone. The system then triggers a low-range mobile jammer to prevent only the driver’s phone from operating, while allowing passengers to continue calling and texting freely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,683 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So this was at prototype stage twelve years ago. Is it in production now? Does it actually work?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    This.

    I have 2 family members learning to drive. The professional instruction and test consists of mirror, mirror, mirror, speed hump, mirror, mirror, mirror, reverse round corner, mirror, mirror, mirror, speed hump, mirror, mirror, mirror, turn in the road, mirror, mirror, mirror..........

    All mostly useless. No country road training, very little dual carriageway, zero reading of the road. I think a day in the classroom would be useful too, maybe similar to safe pass training. Explaining what to look for, use actual accidents, get the class to think about why the accident happened and how it could have been avoided. Young people believe these things will never happen to them, show them that things can and will go wrong. Abandon the stupid menouvers in test, replace them with parking in an actual car park. Only a single digit portion of the population seem to be able to do this.

    Shift the focus to real world driving skills. Get people to think, think, think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭jack of all


    More garda presence and increased detection is critical, we all witness poor driving every day in our towns and cities and very little chance of it being detected. I know of a neighbour that drives as an unaccompanied learner to work each day- she doesn't display L plates, why would she? Lots of modified cars being driven by young lads- do they disclose these mods to their insurers, probably not. Let's enforce the rules we already have and stop worrying about offending people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,683 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I'd have thought retraining and retesting for qualified drivers would be of more benefit than focusing on learners. A classroom day would indeed be of benefit for all, but in fairness, the learners have gone through a fairly stringent theory test already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,327 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    That fine, but whats not fine is the second family being told their ... was mrudered by ....

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    I think it would be a brilliant filter to find those that thought it fine to ignore rules they considered "stupid".

    Were I to work for a company doing it, I would applaud the HR department.

    What's wrong with people, there was a time when we had a phone in the village with a button "A" and button "B" on it, work got done and contractors out of town communicated fine with arguably less errors due to misunderstandings than today. Before mobiles were accepted as a risk, a site with around five percent of contractors on the phone at any one time would not be exceptional.

    Unless I plan to contact someone during the day my mobiles stay home and both mobiles are paired to my car too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭GTTDI GOD


    You do realise that the RSA are NOT a training organisation? They only test instructors and tell them how to instruct, but they can not train or instruct themselves.



  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Blaire Uninterested Beginner


    tbh they think or are being taught that’s all the test is then they are not inclined to pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,035 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Don't tarnish junkies with the burden of accidents mainly caused by young middle-class gaa playing pillers of the town



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,034 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Would increasing the driving age to 21 for vehicles 18 for tractors help?

    Anyone with a conviction for drug or drink driving, a 5 to 10 years driving ban

    I wonder if over packed vehicles and no seat belts are also factors with speed and intoxication



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,385 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Not sure where this is coming from, I didn't refer to junkies. In the modern world, it seems that many "young middle-class gaa playing pillars of the town" take cocaine and other substances unlikely to improve your driving.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Or would it just mean that drivers involved in collisions due to inexperience were just a few years older. One would need to compare road traffic collision rates for similarly inexperienced drivers in different age ranges to how much a difference it might make.

    One would also have to consider if the effect on young drivers who need independent transport to access work and/or education would be proportionate.



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