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10 year anniversary of the death of Michael Jackson

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    #182
    fitriv uyda
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXfz_0JbRpg


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    #183
    Manic Moran
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    From watching the continuous coverage of his death on the news (three days later, he was still dead, so I guess the arising never happened) one could have been mistaken for thinking it was the most important thing going on in the world at the time. I was in Afghanistan, I had a different/minority priority sequence, apparently.


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    #184
    Boggles
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    From watching the continuous coverage of his death on the news (three days later, he was still dead, so I guess the arising never happened) one could have been mistaken for thinking it was the most important thing going on in the world at the time. I was in Afghanistan, I had a different/minority priority sequence, apparently.

    I was doing war Y'all.

    Yeah I would imagine the global focus would have been on Jackson and his death and not some random-er in Afghanistan.

    Would have been weird the other way around.


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    #185
    Manic Moran
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    Of all the problems in the world in 2009, did the death of Jackson really merit three days of headline coverage? Was there really nothing more important?


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    #186
    o1s1n
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    Master of the Universe


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Of all the problems in the world in 2009, did the death of Jackson really merit three days of headline coverage? Was there really nothing more important?

    It wasn't just his death, it was the huge world event surrounding his death. Whether you liked him or not, he has an absolutely massive fan base and was arguably one of, if not, the biggest pop stars of all time.

    Might have also been a slow news period. I can't see anything interesting in the subsequent days, maybe this should have gone out as headliner instead?

    26th of June 2009:

    Australia Wallabies Cause Crop Circles
    During a hearing on poppy crop security, the attorney general for Tasmania, Lara Giddings, reported that wallabies had been creating crop circles in poppy fields. She reported findings that wallabies had been eating opium poppies grown legally for medicinal purposes, getting high off of the poppies, and then wandering around the fields and crashing, creating crop circles and causing damage. The reported wallaby incidents seemed to be rare, however, farmers also reported that sheep would often get into the crops and cause the same problems.


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    #187
    Boggles
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Of all the problems in the world in 2009, did the death of Jackson really merit three days of headline coverage? Was there really nothing more important?

    Couldn't tell you.

    But here you are 10 years later posting about it.


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    #188
    kunst nugget
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
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    Did he just spot a kid in the audience?


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    #189
    MOR316
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Of all the problems in the world in 2009, did the death of Jackson really merit three days of headline coverage? Was there really nothing more important?

    Biggest pop star that ever existed arguably.
    A pop and cultural icon
    Like him or not, the guy was a phenomenon

    It's what draws the viewers and readers and engages them.The plight of farmers during the summer months isn't going to draw attention or sell papers. You mention the man's name and boom, you're in the paper! Whether you're telling porkies or not.

    It's the way of the world

    Personally, I'm more of a Steely Dan kinda guy myself but, however.


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    #190
    Edgware
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    It's poor Bubbles I have sympathy for


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    #191
    Bobblehats
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    #192
    magic_murph
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    Once a creep, always a creep.


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    #193
    AllForIt
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    From watching the continuous coverage of his death on the news (three days later, he was still dead, so I guess the arising never happened) one could have been mistaken for thinking it was the most important thing going on in the world at the time. I was in Afghanistan, I had a different/minority priority sequence, apparently.

    3 days! Is that all? I bet Lennon and Elvis got a lot more than that.

    Anyway, if anyone every asks you where you were when Jackson died 'Afghanistan' is pretty cool answer.


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    #194
    LordBasil
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    One of the things I've found most annoying since Leaving Neverland, has been the insistance from some MJ haters that anyone who questions Robson and Safechuck's claims are deluded MJ Stans or Pedo Defenders.

    If people have decided MJ's guilt based on that 'documentary', please note the following;

    Safechuck & Robson both only 'remembered' they were abused in 2013, which is convenient as both their famillies were sued in unrelated matters then.

    There is a stature of limitations of 15 years for sexual abuse allegations in California, except if you only realise that you were abused after this has passed. Robson knew what sexual abuse was back in 1993 when he publically defended MJ and then again he defended MJ during his 2005 trial, again, how convenient.

    Speaking of the trial, there is a Statute of Limitations of 7 years for perjury in California. If Wade comitted perjury in 2005, the statute expired in 2012, meaning he can't be prosecuted, again, how convenient.

    Both Brett Barnes and Macauley Culkin, along with many others, have confirmed that MJ NEVER did anything inappropriate/sexual with them, this contradicts the insinuation that Robson & Safechuck were replaced by Culkin and Barnes in MJ's affections/desires.

    The narrative that MJ wanted to keep his 'boys' apart is also bogus as there are pictures of Safechuck, Robson, Barnes all together with MJ.

    Another thing totally ignored was the fact MJ set up Robson with his niece Brandi. This smashes the narrative that MJ wanted to keep them away from girls.

    Safechuck claims that MJ wanted nothing to do with him once he hit puberty, however there are photos of Safechuck being with MJ and Lisa Marie Presley in 1994 when Safechuck was 16.

    Then there are the many claims made by both Robson, Safechuck and their famillies that are completely discredited;

    Safechuck claims that he was abused over Thanksgiving 1987 in Neverland but MJ was in Australia on tour then.

    Safechuck said him and MJ had a fake wedding in 1988 and went on Honeymoon to Euro Disneyland but Disneyland Paris did not open until 1992.

    Safechuck said he was abused by MJ in New York after MJs performance at the Grammy Awards in 1989 but the 1989 Grammys were held in LA and MJ did not perform at them.

    Then there is the Train Station debacle when Safechuck claimed he was abused in a building between 1988 - 92 that wasn't built until 1994!

    Safechuck claims he was given the 'Thriller' Jacket as a gift by MJ as a sign of his affection for him however there were 2 jackets. One was given by MJ to the designers and the other is currently in a museum.

    Robson's mother has stated twice, under oath, that Wade went with his family to the Grand Canyon in January 1990 and was therefore not left alone in Neverland with MJ where he alleges the abuse started then.

    Robson has stated previously that he visited Neverland 14 times but MJ was only there on 4 of those occasions.

    Robson claims he was forced to testify in MJs defence in 2005 but no subpoena was issued to him to do so.

    At the end of Leaving Neverland, Safechuck and Robson burn MJ memorablia and gifts from him, the items burnt were fakes, the real items were sold previously.

    Robson continued to publically dance to MJs music and defend MJ until he was rejected from chereographing the MJ Cirque De Soleil Show, it was only after that rejection did these abuse claims start.

    There are other examples of these things aswell.

    Sorry for the long rant.


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    #195
    Theboinkmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/110767047#Comment_110767047


    100% accurate and thank you for calling out. I was watching the greatest night in pop last night on Netflix and reminded my how incredible Michael Jackson was.

    I've also watched Convicting a Murderer and shows very clearly how "documentaries" and TV shows can often by complete nonsense and full misinformation. The Netflix show Making a Murderer is just complete fraud and lies and what's shocking is many people believed it and actually became Steven Avery advocates.

    Same applies to mainstream media when it comes to Michael Jackson and that Neverland doc as illustrated above is utter nonsense.

    I believe he was 100% innocent.

    Allegations 1 - insurance company and people around him forced Michael Jackson to settle the civil case so not to cancel the 1992 BAD world tour and lose everyone millions. Not enough evidence to go to criminal trial.

    Allegations 2 - Michael Jackson, now tarnished reputation, decides to fight extortion attempt and is completely exonerated at trial. Despite 10 year FBI and sheriff county investigation

    Allegations 3 - 2 lads after he's died - 1 of which is a proven liar. Seeking BILLIONS from his estate and per above telling a load of inconsistent lies in a shambles "documentary"

    Michael Jackson had literally thousands of kids and families at his home over the years and the FBI and sheriff couldn't get anyone else to testify against him and most of the claims are civil i.e. looking for money. If he really was guilty there'd be a lot more victims coming forward (ala Harvey Weinstein) - the floodgates would open.

    This is also another example of mainstream media selling negative stories for clicks and spinning certain false narratives.

    The netflix doc greatest night in pop is quite good - check it out.



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    #196
    Montage of Feck
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    I think his credibility died over 20 years ago which is probably why he's the only person I'm not surprised is dead such a length of time.

    🙈🙉🙊



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    #197
    Theboinkmaster
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    Fascinating interview:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu4dSB_8KOc




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    #198
    Tork
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    Can you tell us why this is fascinating and why anybody should sit down and watch a long long video? It is over 2½ hours long. That's a very long time for a link dump.



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    #199
    Theboinkmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121740436#Comment_121740436

    Because this man knew Michael Jackson very well and goes into a lot of detail around his life and allegations. What he says 100% backs up previous defensive posts on this thread.

    If you've no interest in Michael Jackson or forming an opinion on the allegations absolutely don't waste your time watching it. But if everyone is so desperate to have an opinion all the time on everything so please inform yourself first.

    So for example lots of people say "ah sure Michael Jackson was a pedo" or "JK Rowling is transphobic" or "Andrew Tate is an idiot".

    But those people are just being sheep and following snippets from mainstream media/social media echo chamber without their own critical thinking. For example on the JK one:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIPPpsJY39c


    So if you're one of those people who say "Michael Jackson was a pedo" then do your research first or else just don't make a comment about it.



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    #200
    Tork
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    All I was asking for was a brief explanation as to what was in the video. Do you really think anybody is going to start watching something as long as this without you making the effort to at least sell the contents of it? For all I know, it could be somebody going on for 2½ hours about how to make sourdough.



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    #201
    Theboinkmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121740864#Comment_121740864

    Is that not obvious from the video title and my response? It's his bodyguard talking about him as a person, his life and the allegations made against him.



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    #202
    Greyfox
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121740711#Comment_121740711

    Or have you considered the fact that people may of done the correct research and correctly concluded that the horrible things said about all 3 people that you mention is true.



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    #203
    Theboinkmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121741021#Comment_121741021

    No - for example in the Michael Jackson or JK Rowling examples - I have not seen (ever) a conclusion backed up with facts and rationale to support that.

    So what I'm saying is I haven't seen anyone conclude they are a pedo or transphobic with proper evidence to support that position. This thread is an exact example of that.

    People who conclude that (in my opinion) only do so from mainstream media or social media echo chambers - because they cannot back up their position. That video I linked about JK Rowling is the perfect example of that and supports the wider issue of people's lack of critical thinking.



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    #204
    MOR316
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121741021#Comment_121741021

    100% not on Michael.

    Vast majority of people out there have not. As someone who has, who has gone over every single legal document that is available to the public. Every police interview. Every deposition. There is truly only one conclusion to come to...

    We don't know!

    Personally, I'd like to think he didn't and a lot of evidence points to him not doing it. But sometimes, doubt can be cast and there's evidence to put doubt in your mind and make you think he did it

    We're never gonna know, one way or the other, unless one of the accusers says they're lying *

    *For the record, I don't believe those two bozos from Leaving Neverland. There is no evidence they have and anyone who believes the accuser around 2004-2005, is utterly deluded and 100% has not done any research



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    #205
    tomhammer..
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    My memory from it is someone hooked up to a drip being fed drugs to go to sleep

    Kinda sad really

    Prince wasn't far away from that either



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    #206
    lbunnae
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121740711#Comment_121740711

    Did he not sleep with young boys? That’s an undisputed fact? Multiple ones? I suppose a lot of people make the hop then to call him a Pedo. That and then there is also accusers.

    Post edited by lbunnae on


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    #207
    Theboinkmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743416#Comment_121743416

    That is correct - he was addicted to doctor prescribed meds ever since his pepsi TV ad accident whereby he was horrifically burned.

    There is no doubt at all he had a serious pain meds addiction and that ultimately killed him.



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    #208
    tomhammer..
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743875#Comment_121743875

    Prince had similar work related injuries that got him hooked . Although he OD'd I believe

    Tom Petty similar story I believe

    Aside from that scenario, of course addiction is rampant in the music sector



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    #209
    Theboinkmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743487#Comment_121743487

    Yes he did sleep with young boys! But.......did he sleep alone with a boy in his bed? NO!

    His "bedroom" was 2 stories high and more like a penthouse apartment. In it were multiple king size beds (on different floors) and he had families stay overnight in his "bedroom" - boys and girls and their parents. So when you ignore the headline and give it context and the fully story - it's not as offensive at all.

    There were actually more young girls than boys in Neverland visiting over the years but that was never focused on by the mainstream media.

    There were literally hundreds of kids and families or stayed at Neverland and sleeping over. In 10 years the DA and FBI tried to get anyone to bring charges against him, file reports etc. and nobody did. Other than the main accusers at the trial - who were then proven as liars and Michael Jackson absolved from any wrong doing.

    If Michael Jackson was a pedo there'd be a queue of families filing criminal charges against him. That's never happened.



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    #210
    lbunnae
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743901#Comment_121743901

    That first sentence really cements the reason why people think he was a pedo. When you say alone? There was adults sometimes there.



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    #211
    Theboinkmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121744131#Comment_121744131

    Did you not read the rest of the post? he had families with parents all stay over in a 2 floor penthouse apartment.



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