The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Indeed what an advantage

I disagree you are not neutral , you are a Kerry supporter , who wants Dublin split so your own Kerry can gain even more of an advantage.

There has been- Dublin in recent decades. They have been insanely favoured by the GAA year in, year out. Not sure are you aware but these advantages include Dublin getting far higher funding than all other counties both from the GAA and other sources. Playing finals and semi-finals in their home ground. Having a far larger playing pool than any other county. This is why we're having this friendly discussion.

You're aware that Kerry have 84 Munster titles , clearly not competitive , your info is incorrect in that Kerry have less games playing in Munster and so less risk to injuries etc , having had these unfair advantages for a century , only Kerry should be split

Again, your information around how the provincials feed into the All-Ireland series is decades out of date, I'm surprised you don't know this if you watch inter-county football?

Absolutely I'd agree with counties being split if there is a compelling reason to do so, as we've proven is the case for Dublin. But as Dublin alone are the only county uniquely unfairly advantaged, they're the only county who should be split. This would benefit Dublin too, as it would all counties.

Ah no ,your not a neutral , you don't care about fairness , Kerry has unfairly dominated Munster a hurling province for over a century , having a clear advantage in the All Ireland series winning handy All Irelands , you don't care about the weaker Counties all you care about is Kerry domination, the best way to stop these unfair advantages is to split Kerry , i don't say this easily in fact it breaks my heart this has to happen but in the interest of fairness integrity and prestige Kerry must be split .

I'd split Dublin only. I think at least 4 ways for Dublin, maybe more, based on geography.

The split must happen 😁

What do you reckon the population of Dublin will be in 10 years?

No point splitting in 4 now and realizing later that it should have been split into 6 or even 8. Might as well do it right the first time!

More blatant hypocrisy and barefaced contradiction.

This is a transparent attempt at trivialising the genuine points brought up by other posters, which has again, exploded in your face spectacularly. Munster has NEVER been competitive. Ever.

From 1936 to 1992, a span of 56 years, Cork and Kerry won every single Munster SFC between them, with Kerry taking just over 40 of them, or about 72%. (Edit: Kerry went on to win 20 All-Irelands in that timespan, so half of their provincial wins led to AI wins, in case you're doubting the correlation). Since 1993, when Tipp won it, there has only been one non Cork/Kerry team to win the Munster SFC in 30 years. That’s two years out of 88 where Cork or Kerry didn’t win. How the fcuk is that more competitive than Leinster? Gaffer would have you believe that those other Munster teams with a 2.2% chance of making it out of the provincials will be better off and have a higher chance of making it past Cork AND Kerry if there are fewer teams.

Between them, Cork and Kerry have won 90% of all Munster titles…..ever. Even the rivalry between the big two is an absolute joke. Kerry have more All-Ireland titles than Cork have Munster titles, FFS. Jokeshop of a province in football.

You are also indirectly admitting that a province which was once dominated by a single team can become competitive again given time. Which is in direct contradiction to your position that Dublin will continue to dominate forever and need to be broken up because of this.

Well done.

Correct. Good point. But, again, you are indirectly admitting that it WAS the only path to the finals in the years I’ve quoted above. It has been put to you that Kerry have had easier routes to all of those questionable AI titles over the years and you’re trying to claim that it’s all in the past and shouldn’t factor into any dissection of the province. Tell me, Mr. "I don’t dodge any questions", How many games did Kerry play in 2022 when they won the AI? Why is his information out of date when this exact scenario took place the in the championship before last?

You have been shown that this isn’t true, many times. The gap from Cork to Leitrim is many times greater than the gap from Dublin to Cork. You brought this argument up then shifted the goalposts so that you tried to pretend you were talking about absolute numbers, not percentages (which is how any reasonable person would measure this gap). But, yet again, you’re ignoring the elements of this point that contradict your overall stance. How many more people live in New York than live in Dublin? If population is such a huge advantage, how come tjhey aren’t beating all around them? How come India and China don’t win every single sporting event ever, with their gigantic populations? Could it be, maybe, that you’re talking out of your hole, as per?

Bahhahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahhaaahah…..Neutral! Pull the other one

You have a point in relation to splitting into 8 when it comes to Kerry.

Kerry have 8 divisional teams - St. Brendan's, Shannon Rangers, Feale Rangers, West Kerry, South Kerry, East Kerry, Mid Kerry and St. Kierans. These would all be capable of beating Leitrim or New York or Waterford.

If there are sufficient grounds - and places like Listowel, Dingle, Kenmare etc. - could reasonably host matches as well as Tralee and Killarney, then it would be a no-brainer. There is the additional advantage that you are not creating regions out of nothing. The divisional sides all exist and have loyal supporters already. Just imagine how the Munster Championship would suddenly improve with the 8 Kerry divisions plus the five other teams. It would be more or less the size of Leinster.

If that doesn't work, just put the first four into Kerry North based out of Tralee and the second four into Kerry South based out of Killarney.

I can answer that. The answer is nobody. Kerry won in 2022 and played five games. Plus there was a backdoor option unlike in 2000 and before. So we see again how your knowledge of facts is lacking.

No hypocrisy or contradictions at all, just a desire for the GAA to make reforms that really enhance the game. I've comprehensively dealt with most of these points before, but as ever, happy to do so again.

You missed the important caveat of "these days" meaning at present/currently/now etc. I agree Leinster was more competitive historically but due to Dublin's success off their platform of unfair advantages, this is no longer the case. I'm not sure when the tipping point was but as of now, Munster is far, far more competitive than Leinster. Cork won in 2012, there was a drawn game in 2015, Tipperary won in 2020. Leinster could only dream of this level of competitiveness these days. Even worse, the lack of competitiveness stems from a situation of unfair advantages that only benefit Dublin rather than one team trumping others on a level-playing field, as in Munster! I think the provincials should be scrapped regardless but there can be no doubt that Munster is now more competitive than Leinster. I'm not even saying it is that competitive, just relative to Leinster which is a complete shambles nowadays. (Just an aside, Tipperary didn't win in 1993, Clare won in 1992; another one of your factual inaccuracies for the list!).

As another side, while Leinster was historically more competitive than Munster before Dublin's overfunding and other advantages really kicked in from the mid-2000s, Leinster was never a fair competition- Dublin were always unfairly advantaged from their unique population advantage.

Competitions can become competitive again after a period of dominance for a particular team (e.g. hurling after 2012 for Kilkenny), but only if there is a level playing field which will enable teams to compete effectively. This is not the case in Leinster or the All-Ireland due to Dublin's unique combination of unfair advantages so there is no reason to expect it in either competition there; this is what I've repeatedly said, splitting Dublin helps all counties competing in either competition because of the enhances fairness (as well as prestige and integrity).

Regarding All-Ireland structure before 2000, the information is out of date because that setup no longer applies- there are backdoor routes (meaning teams get second chances), Super-8s and Group Stages since over the years. The provincial only way of competing hasn't applied in years, other than during the exceptional period of Covid. To answer your question, Kerry won with five games in 2022, not four as you falsely stated, and there was a backdoor option- so the situation absolutely did not apply there.

I've dealt with the NYC question before so please review my previous posts. The population gap between Dublin and Cork is larger than between Cork and Leitrim hence why I say that Dublin has a unique population advantage. The absolute gap is more important than the relative gap as I've said before, this is easy to understand. I have also said that is the unique combination, nature, scale and duration of advantages that Dublin enjoy that mean they should be split, in terms of population, funding, home advantage etc; not just any one of these things individually.

So taking all the above on board, it's easy to see why neutrals like myself are in favour of splitting Dublin alone to help the GAA and every county.