The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121718808#Comment_121718808

And we are off again 🙄 Kerry are unfairly advantaged , Kerry alone have unigue advantage playing in a hurling province, funding and population advantage over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc which is the reason they should be split, a 2 way split might be enough but it would warrant further discussion before the GAA makes this reform to benefit all Counties as a 3 way split might be needed .

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121718835#Comment_121718835

And once again pure nonsense of a post , Kerry have and still do dominate Munster for over a Century , 84 Munster titles total domination

Once again you are not neutral , you are a Kerry supporter looking to gain yet more advantages for Kerry to continue to dominate , its easy to see why posters on here are in favour of splitting Kerry alone to help the GAA and every County.

gaffer91

Just to pre-empt something that sometimes comes up. No matter what happens in the NFL final in Dublin's home stadium this weekend, whether the 1.5 million population home team of Dublin win, or if the 250,000 population away team of Derry win, I continue to believe that Dublin should be split in order to rectify the unfairness that currently persists in the GAA. It's not about the results in a single game, it's more about addressing the terrible injustice that arises from Dublin alone being unfairly advantaged over every other county. So win or lose this weekend, Dublin should still be split.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121947121#Comment_121947121

And here we go again with his nonsense ,Just to pre-empt something that comes up , no matter what happens in Munster , I continue to believe that Kerry should be split in order to rectify the unfairness that currently persists in the GAA. It's not about the results in a single game , it's more about addressing the terrible injustice that arises from Kerry being unfairly advantaged with them playing in a hurling province dominating Munster with a ridiculous 84 Munster titles and then having won most of them titles in 2nd/3rd gear , having a huge advantage in the All Ireland series ,with less injuries and only having to peak for 2/3 games etc which helped them win 38 All Irelands . so win or lose Munster in a few weeks , Kerry should be split .

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948140#Comment_121948140

You can't really claim Munster is weaker than leinster anymore though by your own reasoning Dublin should be split in 3 on population advantage alone.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948267#Comment_121948267

I'm not claiming anything , i'm just humoring a bitter anti Dublin poster who surprise surprise is from Kerry 😂🤣

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948140#Comment_121948140

The provincial-All Ireland only route hasn't existed since 2000 (with the exception of the covid years). So your information is a little out of date. But even when that model existed, it still wasn't a patch on the advantages Dublin had, and that was even before the overfunding of the 2000s started!

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948267#Comment_121948267

Exactly, people complaining about population gaps between say Cork and Leitrim would have to accept first that Dublin should be split before anyone else, where the absolute gap is the largest. And while provincials should be scrapped, by far the least competitive one nowadays is Leinster. Munster is poor too but still far, far better and more competitive than Leinster these days. I don't mind a level of dominance in a competition as long as it comes fairly but sadly this is not the case with Dublin.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948960#Comment_121948960

It was the greatest advantage ever. It is the reason why Kerry have dominated so much. I would guess that around 60-70 of their Munster titles were won without being given a game.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121949168#Comment_121949168

Nah, population, funding, home pitch advantage are far bigger advantages than that. Munster had fewer teams but was at least a level playing field in terms of one county not being unfairly advantaged over all others. This was never the case in Leinster and is definitely not the case in the All-Ireland now due to Dublin's advantages. As I said before, winning fairly, dominating for periods even, isn't an issue once it comes fairly. Sadly, this is not the case with Dublin which is why I and others want them to be split to help the GAA.

Take the NFL final this weekend, which is what sparked the thread up again. If Derry win, they can take real pride in a great achievement. Their supporters can be very pleased. But if Dublin win, what can they think? Really, if they're honest with themselves, all they can do is recognise their success came in large part because of their population, funding and playing at home. It's hard to take any pride at all in such a victory, as it's not a fair competition. And then the follow-on question should be how we can reduce the unfairness. I think you know the measure I'd recommend: split them to disperse the advantages.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948960#Comment_121948960

Have to disagree , the ridiculous advantages Kerry have had over the last 100+ years has won them a ridiculous 84 handy Munster titles and 38 ridiculously advantaged handy All Irelands .

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948968#Comment_121948968

Only one genuinely complaining on here is you lol......

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121949195#Comment_121949195

Nah playing in a hurling province , is a bigger advantage than population, also when you consider the huge funding Kerry get over the weaker Counties sure its no wonder they won a ridiculous 84 Munster's and 38 All Irelands , I Don't believe Leitrim/Longford are heading for a weeks training in the Sun next week , they mustn't have the funding , Its obvious Kerry have more funding than most . If Kerry supporters were honest with themselves they would recognise that the success came in large part because of the funding they get and playing in a hurling province. It's hard to take pride at all in such a victory as it's not a fair competition , Now the follow on question should be is how we reduce the unfairness , and its with a heavy heart i'd recommend splitting Kerry to disperse the advantages , thankfully with the help of god Dublin Tyrone etc have helped to stop the Kerry domination , but with the super team they are putting together with the 2 in a row player of the year and his brother etc , it looks like that domination is set to take off again. Hopefully Dublin Tyrone Mayo Derry etc can hold them back until the inevitable split happens . Thanks for coming back ,tis great crack this tread is , so it is .😁

Trampas

I see Leinster match is either Longford or Croker depending on who wins between Meath and Longford. I assume it’ll be Dublin’s fault if it is in Croke Park again. I’d love a trip to Longford

flasher0030

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121949895#Comment_121949895

That's a pretty desperate clutch at straws there, Dunny. There's loads of evidence out there that the overloading of funds to Dublin GAA is the main reason for the successes which kicked off in 2011. You on about hurling provinces, Kerry funding etc. is only a smoke-screen.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/confirmed-role-played-bertie-ahern-funding-dublins-dominance-110034

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958755#Comment_121958755

Sure it's all opinions Flashy.

flasher0030

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121959880#Comment_121959880

Fair enough.

Shure we better add Derry to the list of teams to split in 2. 😀

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121961624#Comment_121961624

I would prefer no County to be split 😁

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121961624#Comment_121961624

London already has a team.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121961662#Comment_121961662

No,Dublin needs to be split. We cannot ignore the population changes since the 1880s. I'd bring a rule reviewing these thing every 150 years.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121962257#Comment_121962257

No, better reviewing every 200 years 😂

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956833#Comment_121956833

It's not about saying something is "Dublin's fault". Nobody here has any axe to grind with Dublin, I don't at least, I just want the GAA to take steps to rectify the unfairness that exists in Gaelic Games. It's not Dublin's responsibility to ensure games are played in neutral venues, of course Dublin will want what is most advantageous to them. It's the GAA's responsibility to ensure the playing field is level. And they've completely failed in that effort (and not just in allowing Dublin home advantage constantly for finals and semi-finals, also by overfunding them, among other things).

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958755#Comment_121958755

This is absolutely damning stuff and just more of the overwhelming evidence that has been provided over the course of this thread on how Dublin are uniquely advantaged. The issue is some Dublin supporters will initially just deny that Dublin alone have been financially advantaged by the GAA and their sponsors over all other counties. When these denials cannot be maintained any longer, they deny that funding makes any difference in sport, which is clearly ridiculous.

Pieces of evidence like this detailing the unique way Dublin have been favoured have provided hundreds of times over the course of this thread.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963583#Comment_121963583

 "Nobody here has any axe to grind with Dublin"

At least this fella has a sense of humour on April Fool's Day…..

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121961662#Comment_121961662

I mostly agree with you. I think no team other than Dublin should be split, as Dublin are the only team uniquely unfairly advantaged. So we agree on 32 out of 33 teams competing in the All-Ireland.

dunnerc

Again Kerry are also uniquely unfairly advantaged so they also should be split 🪓 So we agree 32 out of 34 teams competing in the all Ireland.😂

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963583#Comment_121963583

Oh but you do have an axe to grind with Dublin , You want Kerry to continue to dominate Munster 82 ridiculously easy titles , leading into 38 unfairly won All Ireland titles , Dublin halted this Kerry advantage and you whinge , i just want the GAA to rectify the unfairness that exists in the Gaelic Games ,It's not Kerry's responsibility to ensure games are played in a fair way for all Counties , of course Kerry will want what is advantageous to them. Its the GAA'S responsibility to ensure the level playing field is level . And yes they've completely failed in that effort(and not just in allowing Kerry to compete in a Hurling County but also in there superior funding over weaker Counties like Leitrim Longford Carlow Sligo etc

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963593#Comment_121963593

Indeed this is absolutely damning stuff the evidence provided on this thread has clearly shown that Kerry are uniquely advantaged for over a 100 years , playing out of a hurling province uncontested giving them a huge advantage in the All Ireland series , the issue is one Kerry supporter in particular will initially deny that Kerry have gained an advantage over 100 years playing in Munster and have also gained an advantage by there sponsors over weaker Counties like Leitrim Carlow Longford etc, when these denials cannot be maintained any longer , they deny that playing out of Munster for the last 100 years makes any difference , and that the superior funding they get over the likes of Leitrim and Longford etc makes any difference in sport , which of course is clearly ridiculous.

Trampas

Any word on gilroy coming back as the water boy?

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963597#Comment_121963597

If one county is spilt that will set a precedeent Colm O'Rourke has spoken about this for years. It will also make almagations of other smaller counties much more likely.

Think of it logically. Louth, a team with some great players like Sam Mulroy but will never win a national title, nor even get an all-star. Meath a division 2 team for most of the last 20 years who have done nothing of note for the guts of those two decades. A county where the taiteann cup was celebrated like an AI proper. Armagh a team who has not won ANY silverware for a decade. And Kildare a team in crisis who suffered the ignominy of losing all of their league games in divison 2 despite having some very decent players. They also managed to draw to Sligo in last years championship.

Would Louth, Meath and Armagh, Kildare amalgamate based on Geographic location for example?

That is the reality so people on these pages should be careful what they wish for because if one county "spilts" then ALL counties are fair game. It baffles me that posters do not have the foresight to It will also likely mean complete restructuring of the "provincial system" as well (which is badly needed). If posters are REALLY serious about a Dublin spilt they have to also consider the possibility of amalgamations of counties that are currently struggling. It is done with GAA clubs no problem why not counties? The counties are British creations after all, and it would give the GAA a chance to put their own "Irish" spin on things.

Then particularly in Dublin you would have probative economies of scale, due to Dublin building costs availability of land for a new stadium. The DCC as it is decided that a second stadium was not economically viable, in the Spawell for example, Dublin would need a 25,000 Stadium. And in these pages I have described how the cost for the Tyrone Centre of Excellence was cheaper than the cost of the just the land Dublin had in the Spawell alone. The details of which I already posted on these threads. In inner city Dublin there is a dearth of playing areas and space.

Would the GAA be willing to fund a new stadium, and administrative centre for a "new" Dublin team? Money taken away from other GAA counties and money that could be spent on GAA grass roots.

What would happen Dublin Hurling as a consequence? Where would it be run from? Who would run it? Would Dublin hurling get even weaker as a result of a second Dublin team?

I think that there are many on these thread that do not understand (or refuse to see) the issues Dublin GAA have as it is. There are clubs that serve massive catchment areas which have done nothing for years Thomas Davis and Round Towers Clondalkin for example, both of whom have to compete with soccer. Which many counties outside Dublin do not have to compete with Meanwhile in other areas of Dublin there are too many clubs.

The fact is in Dublin vast areas of the county are GAA wastelands in the leafy suburbs of D4 there is no big senior Dublin club. Because Leinster rugby rules the roost in D4.

The reality is if Dublin Football and more broadly speaking Dublin GAA is weak. That means the growth of the GAA will be be severely weakened. Meaning other sports would take over. Currently Dublin are a glamour team to follow for youngsters they capture interest along with a strong Irish Rugby team, along with Leinster Rugby etc.

If there is no Dublin as we know it, which counties and teams would fill the vacuum that a spilt Dublin would leave?

It is certainly not going to be Meath or Kildare as I do not foresee both of those counties doing anything on the national stage in the major competitions anytime soon. So amalgamations of such counties creating a new brand is the obvious alternative to capture the eyes of the youngsters and marketing people.

gormdubhgorm

Also there is the fact that Dublin football has brought the level of Gaelic Football forward. We have seen how Kerry have watched Dublin and changed tactically. Derry are also an excellent counter attacking side, like Dublin. Teams take note of what Dublin are doing tactically.

Only for Dublin football, the sport would be still labouring against the so called "blanket defence" trend from about 2010. Dublin Football showed the way for other counties and the game has never been as tactically intricate. Even Goalkeeper role which Cluxton revolutionised has been built on by other counties. We saw iin the league final how Odhran Lynch for Derry pushes right up the pitch as the norm, creating chaos for opposing defences, not knowing whether to press him or leave him be.

If there was no past Dublin "dominance" there would have been nowhere near the same level of innovation and tactical nous that there currently is at the higher level of Gaelic Football. There would still be a lot of teams with nearly all their men behind the ball, and terrified to/unable to counter on the break. In my opinion Kerry have tried to copy Dublin (they are just not as good at it) and lesser teams such as Meath now see Kerry and Dublin as the "template".

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/o-rourke-wants-meath-to-follow-dublin-and-kerry-template (2023)

From the article above -

"During this year's League Meath struggled to find the right balance between defence and attack and O’Rourke’s ambition to play an expansive brand of kick-passing football was derided as naïve by some."

O'Rourke said -

“I don't think anybody should think that they know more about it than anyone else. As far as I'm concerned we should copy Dublin and Kerry and basically the same way as they play, I don't see why not, they are the two most successful teams."

“It's just that it's taken quite a while for our defensive structure to cement in but it is getting better. We do want to play a fairly fast-moving kicking game if at all possible but it doesn't always work like that. If there's 15 men behind the ball, we're not going to be kicking it in high and hoping for the best."

“We weren't great on turnovers during the League. We were poor on that, which showed we weren't tackling well. We have improved on that. We weren't great on opposition kick-outs during the League, we would hope to have improved on that. They're the fundamentals."