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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Tbh it's yourself who 100% deserves the majority of the blame for this , you never give truthful responses and just answer with the same nonsense over and over again, it's very tiresome and you clearly are anti Dublin and only want Them split to help keep your County Kerry top of the pile .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    You haven't comprehensively answered one single question put to you. Not one.

    And you've been banging the same drum for 13 years at this stage, but sure, let's blame the lad who's here 13 weeks instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Absolutely splitting Dublin helps Leitrim both in their All-Ireland endeavours and in their attempts to get out of Connaught, for the reasons I've already provided multiple times.

    You have not. You weren't even talking about Connaught until right now. If you had, you'd provide a link or repeat the reasons. But you can't. Because you didn't.

    What happens in Leinster has no impact on anyone's chances of getting out of Connaught, or Ulster or Munster.

    Leitrim won't suddenly become champions because the Dubs have been quartered. Mayo might. Kerry probably will. But Leitrim still won't be able to get past Sligo or Galway so they won't even be able to test themselves against the bigger teams.

    Repeating the same auld shite with the same auld dearth of reasoning every time while simultaneously calling that shite 'evidence' is the mark of a man who has lost the debate long, long ago.

    I mean, you're even contradicting yourself here without realising it, because you haven't thought through what you're saying.

    Having no Dublin lurking in the shadows makes everyone more competitive, including Leitrim now, does it? Well if everyone is more competitive, then their chances of progression are exactly the same as they were before the split, correct?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    I have jndeed provided such evidence, many times, you just falsely claim I haven't.

    I said it helped everyone- when asked to elaborate about specifics e.g. how it would help Leitrim in Connaught, or Waterford in Munster, I provided evidence for why that would be the case (much of it related to improved prestige, integrity and fairness that will follow a split, compared with the devastating impact to the game from Dublin continuing to win off a platform of unfair advantages). And as Connaught feeds into the All-Ireland, the benefits are felt there too. Make no mistake about it, the harms of Dublin's unfair advantages are felt everywhere. Basically it boils down to: Not splitting Dublin = bad for everyone; splitting Dublin = good for everyone.

    Regarding all counties being impacted meaning Leitrim won't actually benefit, the impact won't be felt equally so smaller counties may in fact be helped even more by splitting Dublin. This is because smaller counties who can't compete at all now will be more invigorated than larger ones who are still somewhat competitive despite Dublin's unfair advantages so the increased interest and competitiveness that will result will benefit them more. But more importantly, as there is no longer one single team in the form of Dublin getting all the advantages vs everyone else, the relative gap between the bottom and best team in terms of chances of winning the All-Ireland will drop meaning this also benefits the likes of Leitrim. It'll be marginal to begin with but the benefits will be more noticeable over the years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Kerry have unfair advantages over most Counties , playing in a hurling province 84 Munsters titles , total domination in Munster for over a century, only having to peak for the Semi/All Ireland finals leading to an unfair advantage in terms of less injuries peaking for only a couple of weeks compared to other Counties in other provinces,no wonder they have won 38 All Irelands !! In the interest of a level playing field if Dublin has to split Kerry and possibly others would have to also. Weaker Counties would possibly have to amalgamate also , but no all your interested in is for your own County Kerry to gain another advantage by having Dublin split , you don't give a monkeys about weaker Counties and a level playing field.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    No. Nice try. You've not provided any evidence of anything. You've put forward your thoughts and ideas, you haven't provided a single jot of evidence. Keep repeating it all you want, won't make it true.

    Regarding all counties being impacted meaning Leitrim won't actually benefit, the impact won't be felt equally

    An open admission that some counties will benefit more than others, after denying this is what you wanted for the last few weeks. The mask is slipping. Do you even read the shite you come out with.

    so smaller counties may in fact be helped even more by splitting Dublin

    May be helped even more. Another admission, they might be helped more but they also might not be helped as much as other counties, thereby putting them at a severe disadvantage to other counties, despite the your protestations that you want to help everyone equally.

    But as long as you get your pound of flesh and Kerry get the Dublin monkey off their back, all's well with the world, eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Absolutely agree, in fact, there is an argument that we need to split Mayo, Galway and Cork as well. Imagine that we could then see the likes of Clare, Waterford, Tipperary, Leitrim, Sligo and New York regularly winning provincial football championships. What a boost for the game. The fairness and integrity of the game would be massively increased.

    However, given that Kerry have been the most advantaged for the longest time, we should probably start with splitting them and see how it goes for the first decade or so. After that, we can then split Dublin, Mayo, Galway and Cork if it works. Given Kerry have so many titles, it won't really affect them.





  • Every time a county wins a title it should automatically be split. In the name of giving each team a “fair” chance. Imagine had that been implemented since day 1 - starting with 32 counties in 1887 we would now have nearly 170 teams competing for the 2024 All Ireland championship - and surely each of the original 32 counties would have each won one by now.

    🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Now you are talking. We would have a full season of matches to watch as well, plenty of football, and imagine if they all had their own county ground as well.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    I've provided massive amounts of evidence- you just want to believe it's not true because you falsely think that splitting Dublin will not help the county you support (even though not splitting them will be devastating to Dublin and all other counties).

    I've said all counties will benefit- this has been proven beyond a doubt now, the logic stands up to all scrutiny. It also holds that not splitting Dublin will be devastating for all counties. It is probable that the smaller counties will be helped more than the currently competitive ones over the longer term but I make no bones about wanting to help weaker counties more- I've also advocated for funding to not just be equalised but actively directed to weaker counties in order to help level the playing-field even more- this wouldn't be as effective as splitting Dublin but it would be another welcome reform. So really the only question around splitting Dublin is how much it will help the likes of Leitrim, Clare, Carlow etc- as I've said before, I expect in the first few years the benefits may be quite small, but will become enormous for them as the years progress, like the inverse of what we saw with the negative impact of overfunding Dublin alone in Leinster- the harms were marginal to begin with but are now catastrophic for the competition.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Not at all, success isn't a problem if done fairly but this hasn't been the case for Dublin due to their unique advantages in population, funding, playing at home etc. People rightfully had no issue with Kilkenny's success from 2006-12. People rightly do have a problem with Dublin's success as it hasn't come fairly. So Dublin alone should be split to benefit the game as a whole due the enhanced prestige, integrity and fairness that will result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    As above, winning fairly isn't an issue- it's just when successes have come off a platform of unfair advantages that we have a problem. This is the case with Dublin. So Dublin alone should be split.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The unfair advantages that Kerry have had for over a century have been listed here many many times, so best that we start with splitting them given the long history of their unfair advantage. After a decade, we can review, and if it has worked, we can split other counties, including Dublin.

    People have rightly had a problem with Kerry's unfair advantages for decades, I remember talk of it in 1980 when it took three games to win an All-Ireland (which completely devalued and put an asterix against their five-in-a-row). The other point is that Kerry have had so much success over so many decades that Kerry people almost take it for granted, so they won't begrudge being split and letting others have access to the level playing field.

    Definitely the way to go and a much better future for Gaelic Football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
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    The dominance of the great Dublin 6 in a row team is truly remarkable. The greatest county team of all time. Players like Cluxton, Kilkenny, McCarthy, Cian O'Sullivan, Fenton, Mick Fitz...right up their with the other all time greats Purcell, Jack O'Shea, Canavan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    You have provided a load of lies , And once again we go around in circles "jesus wept "splitting Dublin would only help a handful of Counties , your own Kerry benefiting the most , if Dublin were to be split , Kerry would have to be split and possibly a few other Counties also to level the playing field for all Counties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    And again we go around in circles, Dublin are not uniquely advantaged , Kerry Cork Galway Mayo Down etc are advantaged over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc , Kerry alone are uniquely advantaged coming out of a hurling province barely tested winning a rediculous 84 Munsters and because of such a handy run in Munster for over a century are uniquely advantaged going into the All Ireland proper ,if they won fairly there would be no problem, alas this is not the case , so it is with a sad heart i have to say a Kerry split has to happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    As above winning fairly isn't an issue, it's just when 84 Munsters titles and 38 All Irelands have come off a platform of unfair advantages that we have a problem, this is the case with Kerry, so Kerry should be split if Dublin is split and possibly a few other Counties also , it's clear to everyone your not interested in a level playing field and just want Dublin split to keep Kerry on top , this thread is a farce its pure and utter nonsense and should be closed.

    Post edited by dunnerc on




  • The only reason you and you alone (no other posters agreeing with you) are flogging this dead horse is because of Dublin’s recent success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Not at all- Kerry don't have any unfair advantages- the unique combination, nature, scale and duration of advantages in terms of population, funding and home pitch advantage is exclusive to Dublin. As I've said before, winning per se is not a problem. Just winning unfairly is. Equally not winning, but competing off an unfair platform, like Dublin did pre-2011 is also a problem- Dublin should always have been split on population grounds, long before the overfunding started (as the GAA previously proposed). Btw Kerry never won five-in-a-row. The provincials should be scrapped but this would be a secondary measure after a Dublin split, which would be far more beneficial to the GAA. Provincials have been less relevant since the back door of 2001, and much less so since the Super-8s and other formats since 2018. But the negative impact from the population, funding and home pitch advantage that Dublin enjoy has become far more pronounced over the same period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Outstanding players for sure, Cluxton in particular. But it's easy with a population of the size Dublin has to have players of this talent to begin with, easy then with the money that they alone were favoured for to develop them to their full potential. So when you think about it, is is not that remarkable, just a reflection of the advantages that Dublin alone enjoy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Not at all- as I've said before, if Dublin won fairly I wouldn't mind (on the contrary, I'd be the first man to congratulate them). But this hasn't been the case. Equally, if Dublin don't win, they should still be split, as they would continue to be unfairly advantaged vs everyone else.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Winning unfairly in 1980 by only having three matches to win an All-Ireland is probably the most unfair All-Ireland of all time. That you don't accept that is a sign of your complete one-eyed bias. No other team has had the All-Ireland rigged in their favour for so long than Kerry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Yea at all , Kerry have had unique advantages for over a century, yes winning is not a problem but winning unfairly is , Kerry should have been split long ago with the advantages that they had coming out of Munster for over a Century, Btw we all know Kerry never won 5 in a row , they fell short , but there advantages led them to dominate Munster for over a century winning 84 Munster titles and leading to handy All Ireland titles, Kerry's advantages are far more pronounced than Dublin , spanning over 100 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Kerry had outstanding players for sure , Mikey sheehy in particular, but it's easy from a hurling province to have players of this talent to begin with, easy then with more funding for football alone , with a handy run through Munster to gain an advantage over practically every other County, so when you think about it , it's not that remarkable just a reflection of the advantages of winning 84 Munster titles, 38 All Ireland Titles .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭mobby


    Methinks gaffer91 is in a panic as he sees kerrys questionable 38 titles, will be overtaken by the Dubs in the next few years 😁

    I say its more he has been leading us all along, and does not belevie is half the stuff he writes himself. But been a cute kerry man he loves to just annoy the Dubs.

    So I am OUT as they say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    As I have said before, if Kerry won fairly I wouldn't mind, on the contrary I'd be the first man to congratulate them , but this hasn't been the case , equally if Kerry don't win , they should still be split , as they continue to be unfairly advantaged v everyone else

    Fixed that for you again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    And let him spout his anti Dublin nonsense unchallenged , ah no sure tis great crack so it is 🙄😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Not a chance- the most unfair ones are Dublin's recent ones coming off as they have off the uniquely unfairly advantaged platform of population advantage, overfunding vs everyone else and home pitch advantage. I don't know the details of 1980, it was a long time ago- did teams pull out leaving walkovers or what were the circumstances? The provincials to semi-final of the All-Ireland model doesn't exist anymore so it won't happen again. The population, funding and home pitch advantages are far more important and far more salient. So the All-Ireland is actively rigged in favour of Dublin at present. However, if they are split, things get a lot fairer, very quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    This is just a friendly discussion, nobody here is in a position to actually influence the GAA as far as I know. But as I said before, if Dublin won fairly I'm commend them. But unfortunately this has not been the case, hence why I'd like them to be split to help the GAA.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Help Kerry you mean .



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