30k speed limits for all urban areas on the way

Yep!

I noticed this tripe on the DART this morning. I'll campaign again to oppose it .

It's already off to a bad start.

It's such rubbish. It's incredible the amount of people that opposed 30k speed limits across the city yet here they go again. I'd love to know who's pushing it. Like what is their name? and what is their job in the council/RSA?

People don't want it, why do they keep pushing?

Is there legislation about how many times a government or government body can ask the same question?

Or is it a case of, "We're going to keep asking you until you agree."?

There's no mention of "what" the exceptions are, so no way to gauge the 9%

So it's either: 46% against, 41% in favour, with 13% undecided OR: 55% against, 41% in favour, with 4% undecided.

You can't be in support "with exceptions"... You're either in support or you're not

Majority are against.

I think the wording is biased, but maybe that's just me.

Like "exception" could mean "I agree with it so long as it doesn't affect the area I live in or the roads I use", which basically means you disagree with it.

Or "I agree with it so long as there's no speed vans ever around my area".... IE you disagree. Or I agree with it outside of schools and very busy areas with children but not everywhere... which again means you disagree with it as we already have that. (There's a 15km/h sign outside my estate like)

Doesn't mention any of that, so you cannot assume otherwise.

Just to be pedantic for the sake of argument (I've just had 5hours of screaming kids around), but you can't argue that "agreeing with exceptions" really means "disagreeing". What it clearly means is "agreeing in principle", which was the actual question asked.

I've no doubt though the question was purposely vague and basically pointless without any details. I don't think anyone would be opposed 'in principle' to reducing speed limits when it can be easily justified.

Focusing only on deaths ignores all the serious, life-altering injuries that occur on our roads. Thankfully deaths here are now relatively low, which means we can also focus on reducing serious injuries.

In any case, if you measure anything in "per billions", it can easily be claimed to be "rare". A useless metric people like to reference to minimise the impact of cars. Even in Malaysia, that has 8x higher deaths per capita than Ireland, there are "only" 25 deaths per billion-vehicle kilometer...

If you care to use a meaningful metric, Ireland has 32% higher deaths per 100k cars versus the UK, despite having the same number of deaths per capita. Meaning cars disproportionately kill people in Ireland compared to the UK.

@Unrealistic Like I said, I was a daily pedestrian in Ireland's major cities for a decade. And yes, anywhere you have a footpath, I regard it as generally safe to be a pedestrian. So yes, in that capacity, I don't see much reason to complain. And I have no objection to building footpaths or (de-jure) cycle lanes where needed.

@Seth Brundle Well you mentioned schools in Dublin specifically. More broadly, the fact that people aren't dying like everywhere else in the world, means there isn't really much to complain about. Although the poster below may have some reason.

@loco_scolo It sounds like you need to get on to your local authority about building footpaths in your village. Of course, if you live OUTSIDE your local village then things get trickier as you might be more in a rural area than in your village itself.

Of course, all 3 of you missed my point which had nothing to do with 30kph speed limits per-se. My point was that DCC's "consultation" should have included a broader variety of information for the people who were to partake in it, providing both the pros and the cons of 30kph limits, so that people could make up their own mind based on all the information.

I did. I said you might need to have a footpath in your village and that sounds like an issue for your local authority.

My view of road safety is informed by both the data and my personal experience as a routine pedestrian and motorist in Ireland. The data and evidence don't justify such a radical measure as wallpapering the country with 30kph speed limits. The danger some of you drone on about just isn't there.

As a pedestrian, I don't see what the problem is, and as a motorist, I'm sick and tired of being demonised out of all proportion to reality for things I and 99+% of Irish motorists have nothing whatsoever to do with.

And maybe I'm just sick and tired of being lumped in with the few numpties among the 3.3+ million motorists in this country. Because crapping on "motorists" as a group seems to be popular in certain quarters.