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30k speed limits for all urban areas on the way

  • 09-03-2022 6:11pm
    Registered Users Posts: 12,619 ✭✭✭✭ DaCor

    Moves continue to roll this out as a default for all urban areas

    There is a strong case for having a default 30km/h speed limit in urban areas — it would mean that councils would have to justify having higher limits on some roads rather than justifying low limits as in the current case — the Oireachtas Committee on Transport was told last week.

    The Love30 campaign has been active in developing a case for this for many years.

    While this limit may not get rolled out today or tomorrow, support is growing for it at a significant rate.

    It looks like its only a matter of time before it becomes the norm



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭ Effects

    Yeah. Who needs speed limits anyway? Struggling motorists have had enough!

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,619 ✭✭✭✭ DaCor

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 44,547 CMod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder

    Also would the limit apply to bicycles as a matter of interest?

    speed limits don't apply to bicycles, only to motorised vehicles.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 44,547 CMod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder

    anyway, i'll make my usual contribution - right now, at nearly 9pm on a wednesday night, google maps is giving an estimate for driving from the main entrance of DCU to the main entrance of UCD - 11.9km, 11km of which is on roads of 50km/h (or above, for a brief stretch on the N11), of 25 minutes.

    that's an average speed of 28.5km/h, several hours after rush hour has finished. it's not speed limits which slows urban traffic down, it's urban traffic and lights which do.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭ Unrealistic

    Good advice, I'm sure, but not much use to those injured and killed while still on the footpath, or walking on rural roads with no footpaths.

  • Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭ reniwren

    I can only assume that this would sway more people toward scooter/bike use of the speed limit is close to their limits anyway

  • Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭ Jeremy Sproket

    This news is absolutely wonderful news !

    I hope this will apply everywhere in all the suburbs. I hope to see it rolled out soon in the suburb of Fingal I live in. Hopefully this will be enforced by omnipresent static average speed cameras.

  • Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭ Jeremy Sproket

    For those who are complaining, you do realise that most modern cars have cruise control or a speed limit warning?

    Mine can be activated at speeds 30 km/h. So no issue.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭ MrMusician18

    Speed limits don't work in urban environments. You should design the street for the appropriate speed. Slap a 30km/h limit on a wide two lane highway and no one will stick to it without constant enforcement.

    Aren't all new cars coming with GPS speed limiters by law soon though?

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 44,547 CMod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder

    that's assuming the chips to govern the speed can be produced, i guess.

  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ Dario Prickly Disc

    They never tend to enforce speed limits in these 30 zones. I think they know themselves that it's nonsense.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭ patrickbrophy18

    I am well aware of this as I found myself at the mercy of speedy traffic on the country roads of Dublin 24 when I did a couple of brisk evening walks beyond the confines of Citywest after work and it was terrifying. No footpaths or soft shoulders and blind corners galore. I never did these walks again.

    On the other hand, I do feel perfectly safe on the urban sidewalks of Dublin City where I mostly cross at designated spots or where and when it is safe to do so. Conversely, many of my fellow pedestrians have their heads buried in their phones at crucial points, are so drunk or drugged out of it and step out into the path of moving traffic or just step out because they feel entitled to.

    Now, drivers who wind up crashing into footpaths at speed nevermind injuring/killing pedestrians in the process have no business behind the wheel period.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭ patrickbrophy18

    Tell me then, are trains creating danger when people stupidly walk out in front of them?

    Do you think pedestrians shouldn't take an ounce of responsibility when negotiating urban streets?

    You only experience danger if you are woeffully unobservant or aren't street smart.

    Yeah, cars can be weapons in the wrong hands and an already large amount of onus is on drivers on behalf and for the safety of pedestrians and cyclists as well as other motorists.

    It is because of the ambiguity of responsibility among pedestrians that jaywalking has been banned in many parts of the world and rightly so. It eradicates the double-standard seen in many pedestrians where they claim victimhood regardless of how unobservant they were.

  • Registered Users Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭ Del2005

    There's zero enforcement of the current 30kph zones so what difference will making more 30kph zones do? It won't help the person who gets badly injured or killed by saying the driver was going too fast.

    Travel Dublin's quays or the other 30kph zones and even Dublin Buses ignore it. Go into any housing estate in SDCC driving at 30kph and people are up your arse the whole time. My parents live in a 50kph estate in DLRDCC and they regularly have cars travelling much faster than that. Even the 30kph school zones are completely ignored.

    30kph zones are good in theory but since there will be zero enforcement it's just politicians and lobby groups getting their name in headlines. It won't make the roads any safer.

  • Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭ Rket4000

    Anyone driving a car has an obligation to be aware of what's going on around them, whether it's road conditions, road signage, potential hazards etc. They must also look out for pedestrians, cyclists, and potentially hazardous situations. But everyone who is a road user has some responsibility too. That includes pedestrians. It's crazy how many people walk around on dark nights in badly lit environments in dark clothing making it nearly impossible to see them until you're nearly on top of them. A lot of the time they're "making a run for it" to cross the road ahead of incoming traffic. I saw a guy doing just that one night... The only thing that made him visible was the hi - viz coat...... on his dog!

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,870 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko

  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭ GLaDOS

    Wasn't this proposed and rejected in the last year or two?

    Edit: in Dublin specifically

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 44,547 CMod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder

    yes, and i think the gardai washed their hands of policing this.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,086 ✭✭✭✭ zell12