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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,666 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Where is the evidence trans people are more dangerous than anyone else in society?

    There is actual evidence that trans people are exponentially more likely to be a victim of crime.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Teachers in the UK don't have to call pupil's by chosen pronouns in new guidelines issued,

    I'd expect the Foley one to come out and tell us the Schools here the exact opposite





  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    But they do have to refer to them under their preferred name. I think it's an okay compromise. Though probably wouldn't be acceptable to Enoch Burke or people who share his views



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,443 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I honestly don't know whether you are being intentionally obtuse or having a bad day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The guidance also states that schools and colleges do not have to, and should not, accept all requests for social transition...

    Apparently they don't reading that



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    im confused- the sky news report you link to states that in "the absence of preferred pronouns the Childs preferred name should be used". Are you saying the sky report got it wrong?



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's saying that they don't have to accept requests for social transitions in schools,



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,154 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    There's a difference between people who would diagnose with autism or body dysphoria. They're different specialist areas. That's why it's hard to find someone who can diagnose a condition like ASD.

    And even 20 years ago it would have been so hard to find someone. Now there's online directories. 20 years ago the internet was in it's infancy compared to now. There was also a lot less understanding of neuro diversity. the phrase neurodiverse wasn't even in use. Aspegers existed but there wasn't the umbrella term ASD.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,666 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I asked you 2 very simple questions and you can't answer them.

    You are determined to self fear monger.

    It's beyond weird as is this whole obsession with trans people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Enduro


    He asked you several simple questions and you can't answer them?

    (These are the questions you are avoiding answering...

    You can't see any "fairness" and "societal" issues for biological men competing in womens sports in general?

    Did you ever wonder why there are mens and womens categories in sport? Did you every wonder why certain environments are secregated on a women/men basis?

    )

    You are determined to hold others to a higher standard than you are capable of adhering to yourself.

    If you want to call your obsession weird then that is perfectly fine.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,666 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Answering questions with questions. Zzzzzzzz.

    You are determined to hold others to a higher standard than you are capable of adhering to yourself.

    If you want to call your obsession weird then that is perfectly fine.

    Adherence to reality should always be the starting point.

    I know one trans person, they are grand. Getting on with life like every other person I know. Never jumped out of a bathroom cubicle to try and rape me anyway.

    How many do you know?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Enduro


    And you still can't answer the questions, yet expect other people to adhere to a standard which you continue to demonstrate you are incapable of adhering to yourself.

    Answering questions with questions. Zzzzzzzz.

    And yet that's exactly what you did in post #662. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,666 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I did answer your question.

    You didn't answer mine.

    Why not?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Males are more dangerous than females.

    The entirety of recorded human history show this.

    Males perform at a higher level than females in physical activities. An Australian study showed that the gap in performance begins as early as nine years old.

    Here are results of US high school boys vs 2016 Olympic finalist women in many sports.

    https://boysvswomen.com/#/

    Males commit over 90% of all violent crime, and sexual assaults. The majority of the victims of sexual assault are female.

    Trans women are male, and there is nothing to suggest that male patterns change after transition of any kind.

    So to protect females from both harm, and unfairness, you exclude males from certain spaces, and services.

    Trans women are male, so they get excluded too. No special treatment. Equal treatment.

    Any male who complains is a giant red flag.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Enduro


    I didn't ask you any questions. I pointed out your inability to engage to the standard you expect others to adhere to.

    The questions you were asked by Kippy, that you still are unable to answer except with other questions are :

    You can't see any "fairness" and "societal" issues for biological men competing in womens sports in general?

    Did you ever wonder why there are mens and womens categories in sport? Did you every wonder why certain environments are secregated on a women/men basis?




  • Registered Users Posts: 39,666 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So absolutely no evidence that trans people are more dangerous than anyone else.

    There are just two transgender inmates held in Irish prisons, or 0.04 per cent of the prison population.

    So 2? Both held in segregation.

    And knowing the story with one of them they will soon be off to the central mental hospital.

    So this isn't really a problem at all is it?


    In relation to sports where are all these trans champions dominating at any level?



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,666 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You did yeah.

    He asked you several simple questions and you can't answer them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Enduro


    The questions you were asked by Kippy, that you still are unable to answer except with other questions are :

    You can't see any "fairness" and "societal" issues for biological men competing in womens sports in general?

    Did you ever wonder why there are mens and womens categories in sport? Did you every wonder why certain environments are secregated on a women/men basis?






  • Registered Users Posts: 39,666 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Slow down and go back and read the posts.

    Constantly copying and pasting things I have already addressed is not going to make me likely to engage with you.

    If you have your own question, by all means ask.

    You'll have to answer mine first.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    I didn't say trans people are more dangerous than anyone else. I said transitioning doesn't change anything regarding how dangerous someone is.

    Do you think female people don't deserve to set boundaries, and say no to males?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Enduro


    You're refusing to answer questions asked of you long before you asked me anything. Please adhere to the standards that you demand of other people.

    One of my standards is that I don't "do" double standards. If you answer other's questions then I'll answer yours, no problem.

    So please answer the questions that were asked of you back at 11:35 this morning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,666 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I didn't say trans people are more dangerous than anyone else. I said transitioning doesn't change anything regarding how dangerous someone is.

    Great, could you show citation for that claim?

    There are just two transgender inmates held in Irish prisons, or 0.04 per cent of the prison population.

    Would that stat not suggest they are less dangerous, or at the very least less likely to be involved in criminality?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Do you think female people don't deserve to set boundaries, and say no to males?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Enduro


    So you're an elitist then. You don't think that anyone below elite level in sports matters when it comes to fairness. As long as someone entering a category they are not eligible for does not "dominate" that category you don't care. As long as the elites are not affected you don't care how many non-elite athletes are affected.

    I'm going to guess you have very little interest in sports. You certainly show no understanding of one of the fundamental principles of sports competition. (Fairness, in case you can't work it out).

    I have no fear of trans people, just in case you're trying to imply I do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,666 ✭✭✭✭Boggles



    I imagine the vast majority of "female people" are not obsessing over trans people.

    In fact the vast majority that are seem to be middle aged permanently contrary men who suddenly when it suits takes an interest in prisoners rights or women's sports.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,666 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Enduro


    I'll answer that question for you. Yes.

    You, clearly, are not. You have demonstrated that you do not care how many non-elite female athletes are disadvantaged by having to compete against male sex athletes entering the female category. As long as the elites are not affected you don't care. It's either an elitist or a misogynistic attitude. So which of those 2 are you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,666 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If the problem existed to the extent being portrayed elite female sports would be dominated by trans athletes.

    So far we have one trans athlete winning one race in America some where.

    Still don't see how this is one of the most pressing issues of your time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Enduro


    So you're an elitist then. But feel free to correct me if you're actually more of a misogynist. You don't care how disadvantaged the vast majority of female athletes are by having to compete against male sex athletes as long as the elites are not affected. And even when the elites are affected you don't care as long as it is not a sufficiently large number to whatever your "standards" are for the number of affected elite female athletes.

    Do you have any interest in sport?

    Do you think all female athletes should be entitled to the same level of fairness in competition?

    If you don't think this is a pressing issue then why are you demonstrating your obsession by posting continuously in this thread?

    Are you going to argue that your posting is not obsessive, but that anyone who disagrees with you is?



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,228 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    Allowing trans woman to compete in contact sports against non-trans women is absolutely ridiculous. It's common sense ffs.



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