Life passing by people in their 30s

It's a fair few years back but my nephew was applying for bar management in college. Probably when the scales fell from my eyes and I realised that colleges were going to start giving degrees in anything.

Now before someone jumps on me, I appreciate that there's a lot to managing a bar and even just working in one but is everything going to have to be a college degree.

Whatever happened to learning on the job from someone who knows the trade.

And this country needs to go back to appreciating apprenticeships. We need the plumbers carpenters and other tradepeople. Properly trained paid during this time and with qualifications at the end.

This attitude is exactly the problem.

If you can only see short term gains, you'll never ever get anywhere. If you never put in any effort, you'll never get any return.

Not all gratification is instant and that's what these people cannot understand.

Council estates have serious social issues. It would be even worse today if you look at the breakdown of the social housing waiting list today (> 80% unemployed in Fingal for example IIRC). In the 80's most people worked and there were still issues.

The irony must be lost on you that you are calling for all the immigrants to go home from Ireland, but you were one yourself at one stage...give your balls a tug there pal.

I left for central Europe in 2010, met a local, got married, three kids later and the citizenship forms are filled in and with the migration department. Housing wise we rented for years and only lucked in when her Folks sold us their old house and we were able to knock alot of it and build a house half the way we wanted it. The point is, out here there's no shame in renting, everyone rents so its in fact the opposite. Massive apartment blocks are owned by insurance, pension and hedge funds and when individual apartments are sold you need a million plus to be in the running for a shoe box. Don't even bother with houses...

The point is that Ireland as a nation has been obsessed with ownership of property for years... rent is dead money etc etc, and to a degree thats right, same time though renting has alot of advantages.

The earlier posters who mention the holidays the cars etc and the same people who have these don't have the money for a deposit are right, you cant have it all. Not in Ireland anyway. Go abroad if you want to have a fair crack at 'having it all'

Where can you go abroad to have it all?

Curious, I want to go there asap. Thanks in advance.

And this is why in another ten years you'll still have no house and no money. You're lazy and entitled.

I don't mean that as an insult, it's the reality.

If you don't think hard work will get you anywhere, but you deserve the benefits of it anyway, then there's no other description.

Unfortunately this seems to be more and more common.

The truth is hurtful, unfortunately it's still the truth. It's better to bear the pain of the truth than the easy option of a lie especially to yourself

Good post. Far too much entitlement out there these days.

No and neither was their a copy that said everyone furloughed should be paid €350, regardless of whether they were only working a few hours a week. Or that nurses should have to work in hospitals throughout Covid while teachers stay at home looking after their mental health.

The social contract is an abstract theory, it doesn't exist in reality. In some countries it is expected that you will rent for life, e.g Switzerland (which I assume is the country the poster above moved to). In Ireland it is likely that there will be reduced home ownership compared to what we had in the past. It will still be possible for the holy trinity of nurse/guard/teacher to afford to buy but it will require some sacrifice.