Will Andy Farrell get the adoration Jack Charlton got?

It's the same in gaa. Any time a county or club is in a final there's bunting everywhere in those neighbourhoods.

I know for myself I'll lose all interest in rugby until the six nations rolls around as it's a good tv spectacle in a cold dark time of year.

I'm disappointed for the lads that we're out now, but at the same time it's been hard to sustain excitement when the tournament is so protracted, whereas the soccer tournaments are far more immediate, games a few days apart.

So that would be another input to why nation can get wrapped up when we get to a soccer tournament, it's far more immediate.

The whole tournament just felt like a protracted six nations + NZ, Oz, SA and others.

It's exciting for Argentina but I have no idea if the average Argentinian is following.

I'm happy that they did their best last night. I could pont to some errors alright, but generally they just played like 'heroic warriors', in your words.

What criticism should the team get for their performance?

And Italy who had some of the best players in the world at the time. He also got Ireland to a 8th place racing in the world, huge when you think of it. People who aren’t football fans never seem to grasp the enormity of what Jack Charlton achieved. Listen to any of the players who were in that Irish team at the time. They were good players but he had the team punching way about their weight.

Andy Farrell inherited an already decent rugby team and despite a very lofty position at no. 1 ranking in the world he has failed. The remit of a coach of the no. 1 ranked team in the world is to win the World Cup. They failed again, so no Andy Farrell will never ever achieve Jack Charlton cult hero status.

You think there was over a million attending to support Ireland in this rugby world cup ? Maths aint your strong point

17 million

This is what you said.

You should really stop, you have been making a clown of yourself here for days now.

No that was the official attendance

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.the42.ie/live-ireland-v-greece-euro-2024-qualifier-6196253-Oct2023/&ved=2ahUKEwj7u_H1gfmBAxUpW0EAHSXWBocQFnoECCUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0DjfT_PdTa74BMCyfUEolh

Rugby is not that big in Ireland despite the hype of the past few weeks. Its a distant 4th most popular team sport in this country when it all comes down to it

I was in NZ during last World Cup and the hype was incredible. Their national airline was painted in All Black's livery. Auckland airport was like a shrine to the team when you landed. When NZ lost to England the reaction was like everyone had lost a family member. 2 weeks in people were still debating the loss in public like you would see GAA fans here the night after their team loses a big game.

I've had so many discussions with people who keep asking me why I dont like rugby over the last few weeks. Some people get strangely offended by it too.

And after watch them lose...again...on Saturday I decided to watch a bit of the analysis afterwards and it was the same old bland, gave their all hero talk.

So it kind of made me realise where the dislike of it might have started......George Hook.....stay with me for a minute. 😁

When he was on analysis he would call out the bullshit, whether it was just to be controversial or not. He would've laid into the management team for the loss instead of giving the goys the usual pat on the back from their former teammates. And I think I can also throw the arrival of Ryle Nugent into that too as a reason I turned off rugby. When they got rid of Hook and the like of Heaslip started it went to ****. Same with Dunphy on the football.

Has there been any real criticism of Andy Farrell in the media? Genuine question, I haven't noticed. Imagine if new Zealand were ranked #1 and lost to Ireland who were down to 14 for 20 minutes of the game, the coach would be sacked before he got home.

Must remember to book a break out of country for when the Ryder cup is here.

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So it's Irish soccer fans' fault then? They put all their energy and money into supporting teams outside this country who don't give a sh1t about us, (and why should they?) Look no further than United's contemptuous treatment of their loyal Irish fans by bringing their C-reserves and youth players to a "Spectacular" at the Aviva while their A-team was playing a friendly at a more lucrative venue this preseason.

And then Irish soccer fans bleat like hell when young home-grown players don't fulfill their potential in the nether regions of the English system and bleat even louder when some Scouser, Geordie or Cockney with an Irish granny thinks he might have a better career playing for the country he grew up in?

You know what? I agree with you. We get the soccer team we deserve.

My two cents:

I'm more a football fan than a rugby fan. Well, I'm not a rugby fan really, I might watch the occasional Ireland game and that's about the height of it.

I've been turned off by rugby down through the years,for a lot of the same reasons you've seen people express here -

Isn't it a bit elitist? How popular is it really? How much of all that popularity is to do with bandwagoning and accompanying media hype? How much of a big deal is it really to be one of the top ranked sides in the world in a sport that's only played by a handful of countries at a serious level? And there's an overlap to my ears between rugby discussion and the sound of corporate talk which makes me go bleerugh.

But having said all that, I have to say, putting it all aside, I felt gutted for the players after the last night.

I respected their effort and commitment. Those lads were properly devastated at the end. I'd be some prick to take enjoyment in that, IMO.