Will Andy Farrell get the adoration Jack Charlton got?

I used to be into rugby 20 years ago but not arsed with it now (and don't support Ireland anyway). I had a brief look through the rugby forum here during this tournament, during a match it's 90% complaining about referee decisions from the fúcking armchair experts here.

No.

Charlton brought the national team to the international stage.

Farrell managed the rugby team to their mandatory underachieving.

Nah, Mayo actually get to finals

In the most literal sense.

That Irish side played it their own heads against New Zealand, they weren't at it at all and in any other setting than a World Cup quarter final they would have won the game reasonably comfortably.

Vast swathes of that second half reminded me of watching the English National soccer team take part in a penalty shootout in the finals of a major championship, there was no belief they could overcome the situation and mistakes that would never usually occur were arriving in bunches.

Some sports sides have those hurdles they can't overcome like Mayo's inability to win an all Ireland final. It can cross from one generation to another as seems to be the case with Ireland is Rugby World Cups, this far and no further.

As to the question posed by the OP; No one will get to the level of social impact that was seen with Jack Charlton again, that was very much a lightning in a bottle scenario. Andy Farrell has done a good job, Giovanni Trapattoni did a good job with what was available to him to an extent also Martin O'Neill given they both got to European Championships, but the first cut is the deepest.

I'd still say Farrell is a great coach btw. It looks like the team failed to produce their absolute best for their own reasons (lots of self inflicted mistakes) and it wasn't on him.

Compare the performance of the rugby team tonight who took one of the strongest teams in the world to the wire in a titanic contest where they just came up short, but left everything on the pitch to the performance of the soccer team the night before who got hammered by Greece and looked as if they were reluctant even to turn up.

Which side are you prouder of?

Also, look to the young players coming through: the Irish rugby Under 20s won a Grand Slam (again) last season and many of them will soon start to appear in the senior team to replace those who will inevitably move on after this world cup.

Prospects for rugby are a lot brighter than for our soccer team, the talent production line for which we generally outsource to Britain and then get upset when those players of Irish ancestry who are good enough to make the English team choose to do so.

Give me Irish rugby people over soccer types ANY day.

(And I hope they keep Farrell on. He's done and is doing a great job)

The World Cup is on in France, not in Ireland. Not sure why you ned to see bunting?

Anyway they lost, it will keep the usuals happy while they make excuses for the FAI

Im sure the next time they win a game or a 6 nations we will have a similar thread to complain about rugby

Never heard of him.

Well, the poster didn't mention class, you did. They said "Give me Irish rugby people over soccer types ANY day".

While I don't necessarily share the sentiment, I do think it's interesting to see the actual rugby fans being generally very proud of the team in defeat, and accept they were beaten by a great performance by a great team. They acknowledge that the team gave it everything they had and lost because, that's sport. That shows good character

The ones who don't like rugby are the most critical of the team, calling them bottlers and enjoying rugby fans' disappointment. I think that shows poor character.

Oh rugby isn't for everyone. As I outlined above, rugby fans can generally acknowledge a great effort by Ireland and also acknowledge they were beaten fair and square. They can be disappointed but still admire the team because they did their best and did themselves proud. Those opposed to rugby don't seem to have the same graciousness in defeat, and they don't even like the sport.

Rugby doesnt need to have a broad and shallow fan base. It is much better off with a selective fan base of good character. So it's probably a fair observation by you that rugby isn't for everyone.

If you want to know the reason some people wanted Ireland to lose tonight here it is.

People who use the phrase 'Rugby People' when comparing themselves to others(those they are unquestionably superior to), tend to be smug, self-satisfied, condescending **** who have never set foot outside their own arseholes.

That's pretty much it, very succinctly put.

The Ice hockey world cup happened a few months ago and I don't think it made one single headline anywhere in the Irish media, yet ask a Canadian, Estonian, Czech person and they'll tell you all about it, but chances are they might be as clueless about the RWC as we are about the Ice Hockey WC.

Go to a soccer match at any level and then a rugby one and tell me what you think.