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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Rosalinda Eyes


    Thanks,

    Just to ask what's the name of that exercise that I do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Hi all. Could I get a recommendation for a basic fitness band/wearable, please? I suppose I'm mostly interested in monitoring my sleep, but accurate step counting would be useful too. Other bells and whistles aren't needed at the moment.

    Thanks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭Brid Hegarty


    I must say to you, seeing as I asked you about forward head posture before, if you've came across this guy. Probably not, but I'm quite interested in his channel... he claims that forward head posture can be corrected. Here he talks about Jordan Peterson's forward head posture.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tlRm1IS3TI



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    There’s a rule we should all live by on the internet:

    ‘If it sounds too good to be true..’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,770 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    One of the cheaper Fitbits, like the Inspire 2, would do. It gives more than I'd expected it to. Sleep and steps and then other bits and bobs like resting heart rate, calories etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Cheers. I've been drawn to the Inspire alright - seems to be exactly what I'm after!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,770 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    I was given a fitbit Charge and when it died, I didn't want it enough to spend €150 to replace it. Got an Inspire which had more info on it than the Charge did anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Rosalinda Eyes


    Hi, could you tell me which of the 4 ab muscles this exercise I described is focusing on? I'm under the impression that it does the both obliques a lot, the transverse abs too, but that it does not do too much for the rectus abs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    Planks and situps work the rectus abd.

    But this minutia is not something you need to focus on for your level of experience. Focus on those compounds I mentioned and you’ll get better results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭CerebralCortex


    I'm a 40 year old male living in East Wall. I've been a regular gym goer in the area for a while now. I'd like to hang out with other gym goers in the area, to share advice and motivation. Hit me up if interested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Rosalinda Eyes


    @Cill94 I know the ab exercise you mean yeah.

    I found it. It's called the Cork Screw! it targets the transverse abdominis.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Transverse abdominals brace and compresses your core. It provides stability. It doesn't lift or rotate the pelvis like the rectus abs or oblique abs. Which is what the movement in that exercise. In short its working all the abs and not isolating the transverse abdominis significantly.

    There are ways to isolate the transverse abdominis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Rosalinda Eyes


    Is this what you meant to say?

    "It doesn't lift or rotate the pelvis like the rectus abs or oblique abs do... which is what the movement in that exercise does."?

    The instructor in that video said it worked the transverse abs. Is she wrong?

    And what ways are there to isolate the transverse abdominis?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I said: "It doesn't lift or rotate the pelvis like the rectus abs or oblique abs". Which is want I meant.

    Adding "do" to the end of the sentence doesn't change anything. The second sentence should end with is, not does if you're going to be pedantic. The muscles create the movement.

    I find you response a bit strange tbh. And I'n not sure why you are obsessed with a single ab muscle. That kind of minutiae is probably not helping your training.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Rosalinda Eyes


    I think what confused me was the fact that you put a full stop (instead of a comma) before the word 'Which', which shouldn't shouldn't have been a new sentence, which should've also had the word 'does' at the end of it!

    Anyway, is the instructor wrong? And if she is, then how do you target your transverse abs?

    I think this is what we're looking for, for training the transverse abs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Rosalinda Eyes


    Anyone here know much about exercising the lower abs?

    Interesting video here

    And this one too

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgPzOqaLO8



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    So you were confused because the below was two separate related sentences, instead of a single sentence with a comma. I'm sorry but that's pretty ridiculous.

    It doesn't lift or rotate the pelvis like the rectus abs or oblique abs. Which is what the movement...

    The exercise does target the transverse abs. I don't how to make that less confusing for you.

    But I see now you are focusing on lower abs. There is no lower ab muscle. It's an area of a single muscle. Maybe stop obsesing over youtubers who just want clicks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    I think you should ignore all the advice we've given you and do exactly what the experts in these videos say. Remember to focus on minutia and avoid the basics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Rosalinda Eyes


    That's a little uncalled for. I'm just making a few changes to my ab workout at the moment, hence the enthusiasm. I've been doing pretty much the same ab routine for the last 13 years. I'm not ignoring the advice, and more so just asking for advice.

    Do you consider these guys to be experts or not? I notice you didn't use inverted commas around the word 'experts' so perhaps you didn't mean it sarcastically. If you think they are charlatans then come on out and say it. I don't believe everything I hear if that's what you're implying, and that's why I'm asking questions. Have you watched the videos?

    I'm presume you know Jeff Cavaliere is as he's quite well known. His belly is very flat (in its relaxed state) and that's the aesthetic I desire... you don't desire that look very much and that's fine. But those exercises obviously work for him, so is he wrong in saying that they would also work for others? And there is nothing wrong with taking a bit more interest in one muscle group than another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Rosalinda Eyes


    It's a little cynical to imply that all youtubers just want clicks. If you started a youtube channel they could easily say the same about you. I don't know if you've watched those videos or not, but if you have, and if false information has been presented, then please tell me where.

    Whether the lower ab is a muscle or an area of single muscle is beside the point. The point is that the abs can be worked in a way that targets one part of it more than the other.

    It's quite simple; you typed "Which is what the movement in that exercise." as a single sentence. It is not a sentence, and it threw me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    If you think they are charlatans then come on out and say it.

    They're charlatans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Rosalinda Eyes


    But you're not willing to point out exactly where they're lying / stretching the truth / misleading people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    Okay, sure.

    Video 1: Leg raises do work. It's not really up for debate. He's trying to make himself sound like an authority by being a contrarian.

    Video 2: Athlean X is a grifter. He, like the above guy, likes to demonise certain exercises (with no evidence to support his position) and then tell you other ones are magic or 'functional'.If you follow his channel for long enough you'll notice he actually directly contradicts himself when he starts running out of content. Him being ripped does not mean that his information is accurate or in your best interest.

    The easiest way to sell someone something is to create a problem that doesn't exist, and then sell them the solution. How well your ab training is targeting your transverse abdominus is not an actual problem for anyone but advanced trainees. The vast majority of people get abs by doing a full body strength programme with a sprinkling of ab work. Oh and do that consistently for months/years with good sleep/nutrition. Doesn't make for a great YouTube thumbnail.

    We've tried to tell you this in the interest of helping you, but you've instead ignored us and just continued to ask the same question until you get the answer you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I’m not implying all YouTubers are click merchants. There are many informative channels. I was stating that the channels you are posting are clickbaity nonsense. Which suggests your being hooked by their nonsense.

    If you started a youtube channel they could easily say the same about you.

    If I started a channel it would likely be true also. The primary purpose of a monetised channel is views.

    Whether the lower ab is a muscle or an area of single muscle is beside the point. The point is that the abs can be worked in a way that targets one part of it more than the other.

    Far from besides the point. my point was literally that you can’t bias one end of a single muscle over the other.

    It's quite simple; you typed "Which is what the movement in that exercise." as a single sentence. It is not a sentence, and it threw me.

    It’s perfectly acceptable to have a full stop or a comma (I did miss “does” at the end). Once again, focusing on irrelevant detail and not the wider picture.

    If you think they are charlatans then come on out and say it.

    For the avoidance of doubt, Jeff Cavaliere is a con artist. It's one thing to have hyperbolic posts to attract views, but Jeff goes beyond that towards actively lying about - his advice, the training he does, his performance etc. He is in very good shape, that is the product of being a bit strong, and very lean. His defined abs are due to low body fat, not exercise selection. He is also unquestionably on performance enhancing drugs. If you really what to replicate his training, that will be the biggest gap.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Low body fat is probably the number one factor for visible abs, more than anything else.

    I have known heroin users, who never set foot in a gym, with "great abs" i.e visible and defined abs (Not a recommended approach..).

    I also think there's a genetic component, some individuals, and maybe even communities, also seem predisposed more than others to achieving them more easily.

    A flat stomach is, to me, easier to achieve than visible, defined abs. The later often seem to require that extra significant push into single digit body fat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Rosalinda Eyes


    Thanks,

    So the Dr Gains guy (who's abs certainly don't look as good as Jeff's) is saying that the abs merely function as core stabilisers during leg raises, which is completely untrue? He seems to imply that the hip flexors do 90% of the work. Am I right in saying that this pelvic tilt (at the end of the motion) does NOT target the lower part of the rectus abdominis (when hanging), any more than doing leg raises with the legs only getting up to 90 degrees?

    But surely there is some sort of difference between doing leg raises while bringing your legs up just 90 degrees, and doing them in such a way that you're bringing your feet go so far up that they'd be over your head? The pelvic tilt must surely make some bit of difference to something? These charlatans aren't just copying each other... they must have picked up this idea from somewhere. In fact from the videos of Jeff's that I've seen, the viewer is given many options. Where as the other guy seems to say that you have to do it my way... he therefore disagrees with Athlean-X ab recommendations.

    Charlatans as they may be, I don't really see how a casual exerciser could come of any harm from trying their exercises. After all it would be keeping a person active, rather than not, which is what counts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Rosalinda Eyes


    The Dr gains guy seems like more of a charlatan to me. He's saying that you have to do this very very specific exercise in order to target your abs properly. You've seen what he said from 6:20 in that video? about studies having shown that different factors affect the region of muscle grown within a muscle.

    So Jeff's lying about the training he does as well as taking performance enhancers. He exercise routine might actually be quite simple, instead doing all these specific isolation exercises??

    His defined abs may be to lower body fat more so than exercise selection. However, it's the fact that his lower abs are not only defined, but very far in! And don't tell me he's sucking his stomach in the whole time during those 5 minute presentations he gives.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Why don't you just go off and try these various approaches out for yourself: Take before and after pictures, measure your waist, and see what happens. Report back in 6 months.



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