Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Which of Ukraine's allies are saying there's going to be a negotiated settlement?

Are these allies going to recognise any land illegally taken by Russia as being Russian land?

Does that include Crimea?

People seem to think there's an easy solution to end the war (apart from Russia withdrawing), but how does the west deal and interact with a leader of a country wanted for war crimes? How does that work?

All those questions that get raised (preparations, return of kidnapped people, 90k+ war crimes) makes a negotiated settlement unworkable IMO.

No-one has been targetted or persecuted for speaking the truth or sharing a genuine opinion.

It's the Kremlin waffle and muddying of the waters that draws peoples ire.

Since day 1 of this "3 day" war we've hearing utter garbage like "Ukraine must surrender/negotiate for the sake of its people".

Given how atrciously bad the war has gone for Russia they are now looking to wrap it up in different bows.

A glitter covered turd is still a turd. Russia is losing this war, that's just a simple fact. Ukraine will not give up or surrender, even if the west abandoned them tomorrow, and ultimately, Russia is locked in an entirely unwinnable war regardless.

The thing that the sympathisers forget is that there is now a generation of Ukrainians who will despise Russia and everything associated with it. There will be bombings, attacks and deaths for years to come even if a 'peace deal' was signed in the morning.

Considering during "peace time" Ukraine may improve it's military at a better and faster rate then Russia now that they receive western weapons, Russia might decide it's now or never to defeat Ukraine.

And conditions for a lasting peace, where they can live in security. Not a mere truce until the next round.

Indeed. And how any of that is possible as long as Putin is in power I just don't see. Well, NATO membership would be one answer, but that's clearly not on the cards either

If I came down from Mars yesterday and using my super brain power and was able to grasp all the agreements , utterances, promises made by Russian leaders over the last , say, 30 years and then have a look to see how all of that played out on the ground/in reality I think that I would have no problem in deciding how believable the information from the Ru side is

A leopard does not change it’s spots comes to mind

Don't fall for the propaganda

You are so obsessed with lines on a map you can't see the bigger picture. Ukraine are slowly degrading the Russians ability to fight, which on top of a serious morale problem will allow the Ukrainians to make major gains once they breach the main Russian defence line at some point. This will then lead to a rolling collapse of the entire Russian war machine in Ukraine.

Even if the above does't happen asking for Ukraine to start negotiating now when they are getting stronger every day and the Russians are getting weaker is Stupid, Dumb, Senseless, Idiotic, Laughable and Ludicrous.

Love the logic. "Defences will be breached, resistance will collapse.... but it also might not". And then you call other posters senseless and idiotic.

Fact is, none of us can predict the future, but what's clear is that while fighting continues there are also talks going on behind the scenes with various parties, reliable news sources have confirmed this again and again. It remains to be seen what combination of weapons and negotiations will end this thing.

You are 100% wrong. BOTH SIDES want peace BUT UNDER TOTALLY , TOTALLY , TOTALLY DIFFERENT CONDITIONS.

Just in case you are new here what , I understand, UKR wants are as follows:-—

(1) -the complete control over its own country - including Donbas, Luhansk, Kherson and Crimea.

-(2) that it is recognised as a sovereign state.

(3)-that it will never INTERFEERED with , EVER, in any shape or form in any area - including security, political , cultural, social and economic areas including its interest in joining NATO and the EU

-(4) that Russia COMPLETELY withdraw immediately from the first point above that Russia pay for the complete restoration of the physical and psychological damage caused and restore UKr back to the way it was pre 2014

-(5)that Russia goes through the internationally recognised channels if it has any issue with Ukr.

(6)-that Russia fully compensate Ukr for income lost at all levels - including destroyed grain, manufacturing capacity lost-

(7)-that Russia return all children removed from all of area referred to in point one above and that Russia fully pay for their psychological state being properly addressed and that the necessary treatment be promptly provided and paid for by Russia.

(8)-that all mines and other unexploded devices be promptly removed from Ukr -see first point above that all agreements between countries are no longer in place - are cancelled /null and void

And do’nt forget who started this Special Military Operation. My apologies but there are no prizes for guessing the right answer even though it is a SIX MARK Question !!!!!!!!!!!