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Akabusi

Watch that monument become a target now. Suppose its better than them targeting civilians.

On another note, reports that the Chongar bridge has been hit again.

Edit - just to clarify, there is no supposed about it.

zv2

Here we go again

https://twitter.com/UA_22_Ukraine/status/1688198608686821376?s=20

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945576#Comment_120945576

They ain't elite if they have a casualty rate that high. Can you imagine elite British and American troops losing anything close to that figure in a war. It's very embarrassing for Russia .

wildefalcon

Against, what was in essence, a home guard and reservist force.

jmreire

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Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945646#Comment_120945646

If anyone is curious, the official total of deaths for the US Army in WW2 (07DEC1941-31DEC1946 (yes 46, that's the report)) is 234,374 dead in all theaters, to include those missing and declared dead (6,058) and 9,504 killed in accidents/illness/non-battle incidents.

That also includes all those bomber and fighter crews, as the US Air Force didn't exist yet, the US Army Air Forces were, as the name implies, part of the Army.

Kermit.de.frog

It's depressing seeing no movement at all from the counter offensive. Don't know whether it's tactics, competence or just how fortified Russia has made it's occupied territory.

The Kremlin spokesman Peskov was quoted in the NYT this morning as saying Russia does not want more territory and will hold what it has.

That means one way or another Ukraine needs a serious break through in the Russian lines and there is no sign so far they are capable of doing that. Two months in and the map is exactly the same.

BorneTobyWilde

Everytime Ukraine take out or damages a military target, Russia retaliates and targets civilians .

AerLingus747

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947213#Comment_120947213

***does not want more territory yet

Because they're struggling to hold what they have currently

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947213#Comment_120947213

I guess it's always possible Russia reaches breaking point and they make the breakthrough. Ukraine only need to get halfway to the sea of Azov and it would be game over as everything in the land bridge would be easily hit. Much easier said than done. Every week that passes gives me less hope it will happen. Russia need's to hold out until about the end of October and Ukraine will have to wait another year.

IMO if Ukraine can't breakthrough they should still attack but on a smaller scale and only where it seems favourable even if that only means tiny gains. Save your best soldiers for another year when you'll hopefully have more western artillery, more long range missile's and western fighter jets. And most importantly more demining equipment.

Pretty depressing situation and Russia will go all out trying to hold on until after the US elections. That's their target date and if trump gets in they'll be able to repell Ukraine.

pixelburp

The Kremlin going, "well we don't even WANT anymore of Ukraine anyway", has to take the award for the most hilarious bit of immature geopolitical flouncing I've heard in years.

Sure Moscow. Cos you're the ones calling the shots.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947318#Comment_120947318

On track to succeed the day Ireland gets booted out of the Single Market.

Akabusi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947213#Comment_120947213

But they have recaptured territory therefore you are incorrect in saying that the map is exactly the same.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947213#Comment_120947213

Why so depressed? It's sad to see Ukrainian military and civilians die and get horribly injured alright but the realists among us, can also perceive that Ukraine is causing real hardship for the Russian military - the death and maiming of many of their military, the destruction of their supplies, the slow strangulation of Crimea, the impact of war brought to the Russian capital, demonstrating the potential to cripple Russian navy and merchant shipping, the slow crumbling of the Russian economy and currency, the campaigns to render Russian cultural & sporting icons as pariahs to their own people. Russia and Putin lost this war early last year, it's just a matter of time - so cheer up.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947213#Comment_120947213

Things are still intensifying.

4 of the 9 NATO trained/equipped brigades are now deployed in the Robotyne sector, that is up from 2 a few weeks ago.

Russia launched its largest missile strike since the start of the war. Ukraine has been launching many of the 50 SCALP missile donated to it.

It's shaping up that the biggest battle of the year will be fought sometime soon.

There's about two months until the Autumn mud season starts. We will know then whether Ukraine has achieved a strategic goal or not.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947213#Comment_120947213

You aren't "depressed" in the slightest.

Ukraine has liberated around 250 square km of highly defended, heavily mined territory since this counter-offensive started. It's slow progress, but to be expected, and causing high attrition on the Russian side.

macraignil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947213#Comment_120947213

Not sure how you have missed the fact that Ukraine has regained some territory since their counter offensive started. Their tactics seem to be working well to kill lots of putin's army that has invaded their country and they look set to have liquidated over a quarter of a million of them soon if not already. Your claim that Ukraine needs a break through is just a putin propaganda lie to try appeal to people' wishful thinking that the terrible war he started in Ukraine will stop soon. Support for Ukraine will continue without fail and putin will get far more moskovytes killed in Ukraine than have already lost their lives there.

Seems to me that even without a clean breakthrough the fact so many moskovytes are being made to pay for their crimes in Ukraine with their lives daily would be some consolation to the forces of Ukraine who will liberate their country even if it takes some time to do so. Here's an update from Ukraine on how much they have moved to deplete putler's army since their invasion last year. The fact putin supporters see a muppett like Trump with his multiple pending convictions getting re elected to government in one of Ukraine's supporting countries as somehow a life line to their war of conquest shows how little hope they have for success.

Akabusi

Another point to help ease your depressing thoughts Kermit is we shouldn't have to wait too much longer for the Abrams. Last I read was that it looked like it would be September when they'd be ready.

zv2

Russian 152 mm artillery down 75%

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The Royal United Services Institute noted that a lack of 152 mm ammunition and replacement barrels was driving a shift from a primary reliance on 152 mm howitzers to increasing use of mortars to replace shortfalls in firepower. This mirrors reports from the frontlines, such as from Ukrainian officer Tatarigami_UA, who noted an overall shift in Russian tactics in February, when Russian units began operating with a greater emphasis on mortars. This also follows reports that 152 mm artillery usage had dropped by 75% or more.

Furthermore, Oryx verified losses of Russian artillery had been predominantly 152 mm artillery at the start of the war. The 152mm self-propelled artillery was the most commonly used artillery unit until May and Jun , when 152 mm artillery losses were surpassed by 122 mm howitzers and 120 mm mortar losses. This likely represents a significant drop-off in the number of 152 mm artillery being deployed, also suggesting Russia’s increasing reliance on mortars is real.

Of 152 mm artillery units still being deployed, an increased reliance on older towed artillery units, rather than better-protected and more mobile self-propelled artillery, has been observed.

Ukraine Update: Ukraine's war of attrition can break Russia—and it won't take years (dailykos.com)

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johnnyskeleton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947213#Comment_120947213

I suppose its even more depressing that, despite no major news or victories for Ukraine the Western support continues unabated and shows no signs of slowing down. It must be awful for peace desiring folks that their big hope for peace, being that the West will give up support for Ukraine if Ukraine doesnt produce victories, causing Ukraine to surrender, is now more remote than ever.

I guess we will just have to watch on helpless as the Russians continue to make parriahs of themselves and destroy their youth and economy on a senseless war.

IdHidden

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947615#Comment_120947615

Don’t forget the F16s are coming also.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947793#Comment_120947793

I am able to look at the situation objectively and accept the reality that, if the definition of "winning" is driving the Russians out to pre 2014 borders, then Ukraine cannot win this war.

Accepting that reality then I move on to think what's the best outcome achievable for Ukraine.

Right now what's happening is not a counter offensive - it's an attritional war situation. With the best will in the world Ukraine simply does not have the armed forces either in equipment or numbers to out-attrition the Russians.

The best outcome I can see for Ukraine is partition of 4 of it's provinces.

It's not what I want. I'd love to see Russia kicked out to pre 2014 borders but that's not unfortunately how I think this will end.

johnnyskeleton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947820#Comment_120947820

What is the basis of saying Ukraine cant outlast Russia? Is it just merely that Russia is a bigger country? Because as is often said, its not about the dog in the fight so much as the fight in the dog.

Ukrainian resolve is rock solid. The Ukrainian body politic will not countenance defeat or territorial concession. They have no choice but to keep fighting.

For Russia, this is not an existential war. Russia cannot throw everything it has at the war in Ukraine - they are still theoretically supposed to be ready for a war with NATO or China. They are also still theoretically not at war but instead trying to help out their neighbours who have a Nazi problem - real friendly like! As the weeks and months go by the cost will outweigh the benefits. If they do hold onto these provinces, they will have to pay to rebuild and pacify the populations.

Ukraine is hoping that the Russian will to fight will break long before their army is fully destroyed. But if not, they are willing to go down to the wire. Russia, quite simply, are not.

I too can look at it objectively, and I too dont see the Russian army being completely driven out any time soon. But I also dont see any other resolution as matters stand. The partition of Ukraine in exchange for peace is just wishful thinking rather than objective analysis

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944112#Comment_120944112

I found it interesting from that documentary that ,even then the ongoing propaganda in East Germany was that the West was full of Nazis .

Is that where Putin got the idea as that is where he was based and he probably saw that it worked on the population he was then tasked with oppressing?

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947884#Comment_120947884

Most likely. Putin was a handler himself though for a neo Nazi leader in Germany.

Anywhere there's trouble to be made in Europe there's always Russia.

More the Nazis they tell everyone that's the opposite of what you are. You are, being Russian. Then there's the naive who join neo Nazis just because they are told they are the opposite of the Russian.

It's why Ukraine so want to be all everything western as it's a better version of being the anti Russian.

macraignil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947820#Comment_120947820

Looking objectively and reality have very little connection with what you have posted on this thread in my opinion. The military putin has deployed and continues to send to Ukraine is being chewed up and destroyed by Ukrainians determined to be free from the repression that his dictatorship enforces in the russian federation and the huge number of crimes and atrocities committed by his forces on the people of Ukraine. I feel there will be no partition in Ukraine as the love for russia that such an outcome would require simply does not exist in Ukraine.

Say my name

For anyone on Tiktok. Ci James is absolutely killing it with the clips.

Say my name

Another consequence of the invasion by Putin is Poland now will have the strongest modern military force in Europe.

TedBundysDriver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947820#Comment_120947820

Had to disagree with this tbh. The counter offensive hasn't worked and lord knows where Ukraine goes from here.

It's very grim that's all I know 😔

RGARDINR

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947866#Comment_120947866

Im not been bad he has his opinion and so do others. I don't see why he should be banned. I would like to think everyone here supports Ukraine and I like to hear about there successes here but there is not many here who report about Russia etc. so when they do report about them either their failures or sadly their success against Ukraine I read it as the conflict is happening with 2 sides and if we only have everything about the Ukrainian side then we're leaving out a huge part of what is happening and if no one is posting things about Ukraine set backs or Russian successes then we're leaving out a ton of what is happening here in this conflict. We don't like it but sadly we have all read history and watched documentaries and sadly the bad guys do have them in conflicts and if we say only hear from 1 side then when stuff happens on the front lines in Ukraine and say Russia might have troops build ups or attacks we won't hear of it then as most of the people will be banned from this thread who report them. I would like to think most here want to hear of a balanced reporting on this thread, call out the shite for sure but I hate this crap if someone posts something about a Russian attack it's like thread ban them or there a Russian stooge or crap like this.