Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I am able to look at the situation objectively and accept the reality that, if the definition of "winning" is driving the Russians out to pre 2014 borders, then Ukraine cannot win this war.

Accepting that reality then I move on to think what's the best outcome achievable for Ukraine.

Right now what's happening is not a counter offensive - it's an attritional war situation. With the best will in the world Ukraine simply does not have the armed forces either in equipment or numbers to out-attrition the Russians.

The best outcome I can see for Ukraine is partition of 4 of it's provinces.

It's not what I want. I'd love to see Russia kicked out to pre 2014 borders but that's not unfortunately how I think this will end.

I found it interesting from that documentary that ,even then the ongoing propaganda in East Germany was that the West was full of Nazis .

Is that where Putin got the idea as that is where he was based and he probably saw that it worked on the population he was then tasked with oppressing?

Looking objectively and reality have very little connection with what you have posted on this thread in my opinion. The military putin has deployed and continues to send to Ukraine is being chewed up and destroyed by Ukrainians determined to be free from the repression that his dictatorship enforces in the russian federation and the huge number of crimes and atrocities committed by his forces on the people of Ukraine. I feel there will be no partition in Ukraine as the love for russia that such an outcome would require simply does not exist in Ukraine.

Another consequence of the invasion by Putin is Poland now will have the strongest modern military force in Europe.

Im not been bad he has his opinion and so do others. I don't see why he should be banned. I would like to think everyone here supports Ukraine and I like to hear about there successes here but there is not many here who report about Russia etc. so when they do report about them either their failures or sadly their success against Ukraine I read it as the conflict is happening with 2 sides and if we only have everything about the Ukrainian side then we're leaving out a huge part of what is happening and if no one is posting things about Ukraine set backs or Russian successes then we're leaving out a ton of what is happening here in this conflict. We don't like it but sadly we have all read history and watched documentaries and sadly the bad guys do have them in conflicts and if we say only hear from 1 side then when stuff happens on the front lines in Ukraine and say Russia might have troops build ups or attacks we won't hear of it then as most of the people will be banned from this thread who report them. I would like to think most here want to hear of a balanced reporting on this thread, call out the shite for sure but I hate this crap if someone posts something about a Russian attack it's like thread ban them or there a Russian stooge or crap like this.

Which of Ukraine's allies are saying there's going to be a negotiated settlement?

Are these allies going to recognise any land illegally taken by Russia as being Russian land?

Does that include Crimea?

People seem to think there's an easy solution to end the war (apart from Russia withdrawing), but how does the west deal and interact with a leader of a country wanted for war crimes? How does that work?

All those questions that get raised (preparations, return of kidnapped people, 90k+ war crimes) makes a negotiated settlement unworkable IMO.

No-one has been targetted or persecuted for speaking the truth or sharing a genuine opinion.

It's the Kremlin waffle and muddying of the waters that draws peoples ire.

Since day 1 of this "3 day" war we've hearing utter garbage like "Ukraine must surrender/negotiate for the sake of its people".

Given how atrciously bad the war has gone for Russia they are now looking to wrap it up in different bows.

A glitter covered turd is still a turd. Russia is losing this war, that's just a simple fact. Ukraine will not give up or surrender, even if the west abandoned them tomorrow, and ultimately, Russia is locked in an entirely unwinnable war regardless.

The thing that the sympathisers forget is that there is now a generation of Ukrainians who will despise Russia and everything associated with it. There will be bombings, attacks and deaths for years to come even if a 'peace deal' was signed in the morning.

Considering during "peace time" Ukraine may improve it's military at a better and faster rate then Russia now that they receive western weapons, Russia might decide it's now or never to defeat Ukraine.

And conditions for a lasting peace, where they can live in security. Not a mere truce until the next round.

Indeed. And how any of that is possible as long as Putin is in power I just don't see. Well, NATO membership would be one answer, but that's clearly not on the cards either

Don't fall for the propaganda