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Cost of a United Ireland and the GFA

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,479 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yeh...not an expert in the uisce beatha, had to check that and have now edited post



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,228 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    I'm fond of more than the occasional drop myself. I prefer Scotch, the wife prefers Irish, so as you'd expect, typically when we're buying a nice bottle we compromise.... and get Irish. Probably should have shares in Redbreast at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,479 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Oh I love the stuff myself...like wine, I don't need to know if the maker washed his feet before crushing the grape...if I like it, gimme more.

    I can drink either version of whiskey/ky, love the smoky scotches



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You can be Irish and a proud member of the UK, same as you can be from Siciliy and still Italian. Do not forget the union flag consists of the red cross of Saint George (patron saint of England, which also represents Wales), edged in white, superimposed on the saltire of St Patrick (patron saint of Ireland), also edged in white, which are superimposed on the saltire of Saint Andrew (patron saint of Scotland). 

    Bushmills is in part of the UK, pays its taxes to the UK, is defended by the UK, and is also located in the British Isles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,479 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody said any different Francis. You can indeed be Irish and proud of living anywhere, UK, US, France, Italy, anywhere you care to mention.

    It is you who has been shown up by how Bushmills describe their own product, it's taking pride of place right there on the bottle. That 'place' being 'Ireland'. They make Irish whiskey, not UK or British Isles whiskey...IRISH whiskey in Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Geographically they are from the island of Ireland, so it is Irish whiskey, just as geographically they are from the British Isles, which the island of Ireland is part of. No contradiction there.

    They also say they are from Northern Ireland, their address is given as 2 Distillery Rd, Bushmills BT57 8XH, United Kingdom. They pay their taxes to the UK and get protection and so on from the UK. When these islands are united people can enjoy the best of all worlds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    So irish whiskey is now northern irish whiskey? The bigots better ask Bushmills to relable the bottles. Irish whiskey is distilled differently to scotch. Whether it be in a distillery in Dublin or Antrim the irish process is the same and tastes different to scotch.



    Patrick was from britain but around long before the UK existed and if had any national identity it would have been Roman. But if you say he is British just by the fact he came from a geographical island called Britain then the bigots should have no problem referring people from Ireland as irish by the same logic?? And it is laughable that you think he confined himself to a boundary line in Ireland that he predated by 1.5k years. All over Ireland have places he is associated with. I just googled 10 places associated with patric and 7 were in the south.


    Hurling is believed to be played in Ireland for 3k years and is one of the oldest sports in the world. Gealic football also predates the UK. By the fact the GAA was set up in Thurles when all of Ireland was in the union does not make it non Irish.


    Irish music and dancing are both unique styles that originate in Ireland. Did the irish ivent dancing? no, did they invent music? no. Every form of dancing, music or language is influenced by another but doesn't stop becoming a different style.



    Instead of trying to rip irish culture can you instead tell is this rich culture that is unique to NI that you would describe the NI as a nation rather than just people living within a gerrymandered boundaryline in Ireland. So far we have a packet of crisps or do we even have that? Maybe the user was arguing that different crisps are sold in the different jurisdictions in Ireland.



  • Posts: 5,557 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Would that be classed as a "cultural" difference?😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    The reason why it is "irish whiskey" is because irish whiskey has a different style to distilling whiskey to Scotch. This style of distilling three times happens in all irish distillerys whether it is bushmills distillery or in Jamson's. It is not calling itself irish whiskey just because it is distilled in Ireland. It is a cultural difference not geography.



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  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I always thought "single pot stills" were unique to ireland and after that they just prefer peated in Scotland. Not a fan of peat above Black Bush levels personally.

    While many were against minimum unit pricing for alcohol and unintended consequence is that the supermarkets regularly have bargains on good whiskey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,228 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    No, even a Speyside whisky is distinctly different from an Irish whiskey. They're very different beyond just peat levels.

    There's been an increase in peated Irish whiskies too, still taste noticeably different in character to a peated Scotch.



  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I do like my whiskey but like Francie just know what i like rather than the details.

    Was told before that Scotch has more rules and Irish whiskey wasn't as fussy in terms of the process but pot still was what set us apart in terms of style.

    With the new minimum price per unit law some great bargains in the supermarket with the good stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,479 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't know what I like yet.

    Oh look a shiny bottle...................



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Oh it is absolutely Irish whiskey, but it is made in Northern Ireland, Uk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,479 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So a part of Irish culture and not unique to the 100 year old partitioned jurisdiction of Northern Ireland.

    So we have still to find anything that is unique to NI that wasn’t there before partition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Francie. I give you a very long list, including the crisps and frys. but I guess, like yourselves, we are just a region of the british archipelago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,479 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That list has nothing culturally unique to NI the partitioned state.

    They are Irish culture and customs.

    The ‘Ulster’ fry is a variation of an Irish or English fry. Nothing unique in the slightest. And certainly not to NI as I am from Ulster. Crisps the same, a variation of a foodstuff common across Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    Any group of people can declare themselves a unique culture.

    It only exists if someone else recognises it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,479 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If you are reduced to foraging around in the supermarket snacks aisle for your unique culture it would be safe to say your unique culture isn’t up to much.

    Perri crisps used to rival Tayto here and they all but disappeared and nobody batted an eye



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    You are just identifying another cultural difference I forgot about - sense of humour. You are still banging on about the crisps 😂. Sometimes I think you are from a different planet, not a different country!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I see the failed statelet is vying with Monaco and Hong Kong to be the most connected region in the world. Compare and contrast with the utopian superstate to our south. Belfast is the last area in OWC to provide full-fibre access to 100% of residents - projected 2025. Projected date for superstate, mid 2040s (edit# sorry mistake, mid 2050s)

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    A serious question; what are you guys doing with the £10 billion you tell us you made last year?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,479 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So that leaves us with no unique cultural difference in the partitioned part of the country.

    So there should be no problems cuturally if we end partition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    You need to wipe away 100 years of separation is notable.

    part of the irony is that the greatest time of separation was while the Ira waged their campaign. Maybe guys on here could confirm, but I was told by southerners that there was a period of nearly 40 years when the vast majority of southerners did not travel north due to the violent conflict.

    the same conflict meant few unionists travelled south as most had family members in the police/army/prison service and they didn’t go south for safety reasons.

    so the Ira played a massive part in dividing the island culturally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,479 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It is you who have tried to make the 'separation' case, and failed, yet it is you who is subject to a unique international agreement that binds the two together in running NI.

    The DUP, TUV etc tried to pretend that NI was separate and take it away from the south but have only succeeded in aligning the two closer together in their fates and economy's.

    It's hilarious to now see someone in denial of all this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,479 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We are paying for some of your infrastructure, nurse training, student Erasmus trips and many cross border initiatives you cannot afford anymore.

    What you might reflect on is that despite a wee win on broadband Ireland is doing far better than the UK and NI for a while now.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I am not in denial of our closeness. We are neighbours. We used to be part of the same nation until roi left. We have huge shared history. We are probably nearly as close as Scotland and England. You realise we can be friends with lots in common and still have significant cultural differences. Indeed Scotland/England is a good example, although they have not been separated by an international border for 100+ years. It’s just ludicrous of you to suggest there are not cultural differences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭ZookeeperDub


    Well Northern Ireland needs good broadband so people can talk to their husbands/wives/children etc all working down in Rep of Ireland because no jobs in the North because of the shambles of DUP/SF the people of Northern Ireland have continued to vote in. The exodus on a Monday morning coming out of the North is incredible.

    I think the advice is sort out your own sh*t before making comments about another country!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    It’s called tokenism. Do you not think you’d be better sorting out eg homelessness in the superstate before you give pennies to the poor babies in the North. I think it was £2m you give to Erasmus 🙂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,479 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You have proved there are no significant cultural differences that have emerged since partition. You have literally not come up with one.



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