World's hottest day since records began

Does it really? We're not talking about binary readings here. There is zero percent chance that the data is so wrong that actually, these temperatures are all completely normal and there's nothing to be worried about

There is zero percent chance that the data is wrong and actually it's colder than normal

The only uncertainty is how high above normal we actually are at this point in time

There is also very very low uncertainty about whether these observations represent a peak in the trend, there is almost 100% certainty that as long as CO2 emissions keep increasing, the global average temperatures will continue to increase

Consider an analogy

You've been to your doctor to get some blood work done. Your doctor calls you the next day to say your liver function results are abnormal and that he's concerned and wants you to go for a scan and further blood tests for further investigation

What do you do?

a) presume that everything's grand because you haven't had the scan or follow up blood tests and carry on completely as normal

b) follow your doctors advice and cut out alcohol completely until you get the all clear

You might do a, thinking that you're immune from consequences, but in the long term, there's absolutely no point in waiting until you get a diagnosis of liver failure confirmed and then feeling sorry for yourself because it's too late to reverse the damage at that stage.

The simple answer to your simple questions is, The world will continue to heat up.

The AMOC is a current that distributes heat from the equator to the northern Hemisphere (and in turn, cycles back nutrients and essential parts of the food web from fertile regions in the north back to the tropical regions)

Disrupting the AMOC will prevent the heat from leaving the tropics, and cause ocean temperatures in the North atlantic to cool down, which will have several consequences

1. Much hotter temperatures in the tropics, which will have huge consequences on everything from Monsoons, to Coral Bleaching, to Hurricanes, to flash flooding events to droughts, to mass extinctions of marine species and migrations of species who can escape the hotter temperatres etc
2. Colder water temperatures in the North, which could lead to much colder winters in the north atlantic, and much hotter summers as the AMOC prevents extreme temperatures from building up in the North Atlantic sea surface (although it has failed to do this effectively this year as we saw the hottest SSTs on record by a significant margin which coincided with the weakest AMOC since records began)

The ultimate consequences for Ireland, are more difficult to predict. The models are less reliable the further we go into unprecedented territory. They cannot be validated based on historical conditions when you're talking about unprecedented climatic conditions (in the instrumental record)

Is this a good thing? Absolutely not. Yet 'skeptics' celebrate the uncertainty because they think it means they're winning the argument, unless scientists can say what will happen with certainty, then that means their own discredited opinions are still plausible. In reality, the version of reality inhabited by climate change deniers has long since diverged from the observations and none of their predictions have ever been accurate.

Thus they're left only with shouting about inaccurate tabloid headlines from 50 years ago while completely ignoring all of the times their side said 'climate change has ended' over the past 3 decades.

According to the article poster magicbastarder10 linked to the east is 3/4% wetter. You activists need to get your stories straight.

If you say you have witnessed no change to Ireland's climate in your lifetime, either you're very young, or you've not been paying very close attention

Ireland has had very significant changes to our climate, including increases in the intensity of rainfall

Overall Ireland's rainfall has increased by about 5%. But there have been increased periods with no rainfall with more intense precipitation events

Basically, more droughts in summer, and more heavy rainfall events in winter.

We've also seen increased average temperatures, mostly during winter, where the number of frost days has decreased significantly over the past 30 years and we have had a longer growing season. This might seem like a good thing, but farmers can't send animals to pasture in the early spring if the ground is too wet. In general, Ireland is doing well so far from climate change, but we were never a country where we already suffered from any extreme weather events.

That is not to say that we'll get away with it in the future. If the AMOC shuts down, it could have severe impacts on Irish climate, as well as increased damage from more powerful winter storms, heavier flooding, and the effects of rising sea levels.

And then there's the geo political and economic consequences. Land prices in Ireland are already high, but if we continue to see unbearable living conditions in the southern parts of Europe, we will inevitably see people seeking refuge in more temperate climates. Ireland will see more of our land being purchased by wealthy non Irish citizens to use as summer getaways and there are already huge pressures on affordability and infrastructure that will not be helped at all by these kinds of changes.

And on the other end of the scale, mass displacement of people from north Africa and the Middle East will accelerate as local climates become less and less habitable and that will have considerable geopolitical implications in the coming decades

So you've gone from personal experience of not seeing any changes, to being 100% confident that there have been no changes in over a hundred years

Is there a special badge you get for being a centenarian member of Boards.ie?

Also, your derision about averages is misplaced. Averages tend to hide extremes. If me and you are both given 1,000,000 euros to split between the two of us. The average will always be 500k

But If I take all 1,000,000 and give you nothing, that's a very different outcome for you than if we both get 500k each, or you take all the money and give me nothing

The Average increase in rainfall of 5-7% in Ireland represents a drier summer and a wetter winter. And it's also distributed over fewer more extreme rainfall events. It can mean rainfall in the winter can be 20% higher than before, with rainfall in summer being 10% lower. It averages out as an overall 5% increase, but 20% more rainfall over a season is a significant change, especially if that occurs as intense rainfall that damages infrastructure and causes severe economic disruption. While droughts in the summer cause water shortages and animal feed crises that drive up the cost of food production. https://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/arid-40830509.html#:~:text=ClimAg's%20report%20explained%20that%20the,and%20southeast%20of%20the%20country.

Your just digging a deeper hole for yourself.

Nobody else can be accountable for your own complete lack of awareness of your surroundings. If you're going to engage in a conversation where you're making claims to any kind of expertise, you should at least inform yourself first

It would be like me wading into the soccer forum and start talking about why my favourite Man United player is Eric Cantona cause he scores the most goals.

It would be deeply embarrassing and I would be rightfully laughed out of the place

We are really hearing in the media now that the negative impacts of climate change are quickly ramping up. The large economies of the world have made it clear that they will not be making large scale quick changes to crash carbon outputs.

This means that reducing carbon output in Ireland could be a catastrophic mistake. We have no evidence that the world is planning or committed to stop climate change. What we really need to do is massively increase our carbon output by fast tracking multiple large scale capital projects (flood defences, movement of populations from high risk areas etc). Anything else is fiddling while Rome is burning.

Who's being taxed to the hilt because of climate change? Irish people are richer than ever now and people go on like the carbon tax has everyone homebound unable to afford to go out or do anything. We have more cars on the road now than ever and the number of flights leaving our airports continues to skyrocket.

Am I missing something as I'm not being taxed to the hilt for anything to do with climate change, but everyone seems to go on about it?

The Irish publics patience with the farming industry has largely run out at this stage - Ireland is now predominantly urban and most people no longer see any reason to pick up the bills for their country cousins.

Just wow. Time to step outside the city walls for a while and smell the countryside.

I think that was me and I live deep in rural Ireland. So must try harder.

But since VRT is essentially a CO2 tax, we need to add that, which is a further €757 million, so That's about €1.427 Billion, so €282 per head of population, but that is not how one should look at it as tax burdens only fall on those paying the bills. so based on 2.9 million taxpayers, thats about €492 per taxpayer. Thats up there with property tax as a burden.

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