World's hottest day since records began

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120930685#Comment_120930685

Canary Islands are not part of any continent as they are volcanic islands rising from the sea floor. They are at the margin of the African continental shelf so could be considered African. They are politically part of Europe but a long way from Europe. If they are Europe then so is Tahiti. Ireland is on the European continental shelf therefore part of Europe. Malta could conceivably be considered part of both Europe and Africa as they are the high points of a shelf connecting Sicily and North Africa.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121011713#Comment_121011713

Shhhhhhh if you start talking geography in this thread certain posters will get angry as it doesn’t fit their narrative.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/civilization-collapse-climate-change/

Good article here on how screwed we all are. 99% of all land west of the rockies in the USA is experiencing drought, yikes.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121014947#Comment_121014947

100 year droughts are part of the climate pattern of North America, climate change probably means they will probably go from periodic events to the new normal. The USA had the misfortune of not knowing this when they chose where to live - California down to New Mexico is toast.

Igotadose

In case anyone was wondering what the impact on the environment will be in the US should the GOP regain the White House:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/28/far-right-climate-plans-00107498

TL,DR: Be afraid.

growleaves

@cnocbui 'Professor Mass said the climate was “radically warmer” around 1000 years ago during what’s known as the Medieval Warm Period, when agriculture thrived in parts of now ice-covered Greenland.'

In the 1500s there used to be tobacco grown in Warwickshire. Ideal conditions for which are full sun and 30 degrees Celsius year round.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121090068#Comment_121090068

World population 1200 AD: 360 Million

World population 2023: 8 billion

Point is meaningless. It's hotter now, and, 22 times more populated.

But, you knew that.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121090068#Comment_121090068

You mean there was tobacco grown in Warwickshire in the middle of the little ice age? You have a source for that claim?

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121090626#Comment_121090626

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/making-of-an-imperial-polity/tobacco-consumption-and-imperial-intent/C4761947833D414E2C7202415A456118

Relevant passages:

"Sailors returned with tobacco from the Atlantic voyages captained by John Hawkins from the 1560s, and men and women began to grow, smoke, and sell tobacco with increasing frequency"

"It was perhaps the fluctuating price of duties and the high price of tobacco that prompted subjects to try to grow their own. In the sixteenth century alone, several thousand printed books in Europe began to incorporate images and stories from the Americas, many describing the uses of tobacco and containing botanical illustrations and instructions on how to grow it.Footnote 16 James initially approved licences for tobacco cultivation across the British Isles, and surviving letters between policy-makers and merchants testify to a number of individuals growing tobacco since ‘a good rent is growne to the kinge’ and proved profitable despite pitfalls. Charged with household management, women grew tobacco in their gardens for medicinal reasons and smoked recreationally. Before the 1619 ban on English-grown tobacco, one acre of English tobacco could yield anywhere from 29l. to 100l. profit, an inviting prospect to a farmer who made around 9l. a year."

James I, who hated smoking, banned tobacco-growing in 1619.

Doctors at the time noticed something was up when they performed post-mortems on the bodies of smokers:

"Physicians who discouraged tobacco related the imbalance it caused to the natural humours of the body. Too much tobacco infected ‘the braine and the liver, as appears in our Anatomies, when their bodies are opened’, showing ‘their kidneyes, yea and hearts quite wasted’.Footnote 21"

growleaves

There were vineyards in southern England in the middle ages.

Optimum temperature for grapevine growth is between 25 and 32 degrees Celsius - it can't be too low below or too high above that apparently.

"One historical fact that may surprise you is that England was a leader in grape growing and winemaking through much of the Middle Ages. At the end of the 11th century there were perhaps 50 vineyards in the southern half of the country—most associated with the church—that produced wine. These vineyards prospered for more than 300 years, making England an important center of European winemaking ... When the “little ice age” of the mid-1500s sharply reduced the yield of vineyards in England, the French Bordeaux and Burgundy regions along with the German Rhine Valley region emerged as the great centers of grape growing and winemaking that they remain to this day. England never regained its early prominence as a wine region."

https://theinquisitivevintner.wordpress.com/2018/04/01/winemaking-during-the-middle-ages-and-the-renaissance/

It is too cold to grow grapes to make wine in England now:

"Although UK weather is unpredictable, it is rarely extreme. In summer, the average temperature ranges from 9–18 degrees Celsius (48–64 degrees Fahrenheit). On occasion, it can reach around 30 degrees Celsius (86 degrees Fahrenheit) in a heatwave."

https://study-uk.britishcouncil.org/why-study/about-uk/weather

dsmythy

I'd just like to say the English wine industry exists and tobacco is still grown by hobbyists in England.

magicbastarder

It is too cold to grow grapes to make wine in England now

I know someone who was making wine from Irish grown grapes more than a decade ago. Sold as lusca wines.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121091133#Comment_121091133

Fair enough.

But I wonder are modern techniques involved in that? I thought you needed warmer weather for grapevine growing but maybe not.

I do know that in Roman times there were vineyards as far north as Lincolnshire.

Igotadose

Nice historic discussion. Ignores the issue to hand though. There's another heatwave in the UK today. Enjoy.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121091719#Comment_121091719

I would enjoy it, if I lived in the UK.

Unfortunately very much back to an Autumnal feel here in Ireland today.

magicbastarder

autumnal? i was just out in the car in dublin and it's 21 degrees and very humid.

magicbastarder

not any more it's not.