World's hottest day since records began

Nabber

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66104822

The world's average temperature reached a new high on Monday 3 July, topping 17 degrees Celsius for the first time. 

US researchers said the new record was the highest in any instrumental record dating back to the end of the 19th century. 

Scientists believe a combination of a natural weather event known as El Niño and mankind's ongoing emissions of carbon dioxide are driving the heat.

It’s toasty out there folks.

magicbastarder

i know it's hackneyed and unoriginal, but what the hey.

Akrasia

Nothing to see here. It's all perfect normal and ok.

Supercell

Yesterday was the third time this week the record has been broken, worrying stuff.

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1677189542862782465?s=20

Akrasia

The last half decade was affected by back to back La Ninas, that is quite an unusual set up, but even despite these traditionally cooler underlying conditions, global average temperatures were still in the top 5 or 6 hottest ever years (according to NOAA)

So unsurprisingly, as soon as we begin to stray into El Nino, we immediately begin to see unprecedented high temperatures, in both air and ocean surface temperatures.

Climate change is a serious problem. And we're utterly failing to do anywhere enough to prevent it.

The Fossil fuel industry persist in poisoning the planet, and poisoning civil society through deliberate campaigns to block action on climate change

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/05/double-agent-fossil-fuel-lobbyists

magicbastarder

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/07/un-climate-change-hottest-week-world

...

Tell me how

And in the same week.

Netherlands

https://www.euronews.com/travel/2023/07/05/storm-poly-over-200-flights-cancelled-at-schiphol-airport-as-freak-summer-weather-hits-net

Spain

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/jun/01/flood-water-blocks-road-north-east-spain-rain-alert-video

bluedex

When did records begin?

Billcarson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120817556#Comment_120817556

Seeing the likes of this madness drives me to despair, July 12th bonfires being prepared... should be nice for the environment.......

Atlantic Dawn

So there was a team of people in a set number of locations around the world taking daily temperature records every single day since the end of the 19th century? Where can I view this data?

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120819414#Comment_120819414

I'm guessing they are using hindcasting to some extent, calibrated to the available records

SuperBowserWorld

It's game over.

It's a long term resource sharing and maintenance issue. The rich countries would have to give up their over abundance lifestyles. That's not going to happen.

We've replaced needs, healthy food, clean water, soil, air, for wants, regular international travel, cars, disposable consumer goods, fast food, fashion, always on internet "services", obesity, medical band aids, ...

It's not that we'd have to go back to the stone age. But simpler, healthier lives.

It's a climate crisis, environment crisis and a mental health crisis. We just can't act rationally as a species. The more power we acquire, the bigger a risk we become to the planet and ourselves.

I used to think we had a bit of sense and cop on in this country. But throw some money our way and we go nuts too. Think my parents generation were the last generation, mostly, to have any kind of sense.

Markus Antonius

All this talk of "Fire" and "burning" and "record heat" and yet still no smoking gun that there is actually a problem with the climate.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120819414#Comment_120819414

Yes there was actually, but computers and modelling filled in the gaps

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120819489#Comment_120819489

What smoking gun are you looking for?

Billcarson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120819465#Comment_120819465

I had really hoped that the 2020s would see the world tackle climate change head on but so far its just the same half hearted approach.We desperately need new innovative ideas etc. I really hope this won't be another decade wasted...........

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120819790#Comment_120819790

Anything that would convince me that there is something out of the ordinary.

The only thing I've learned from this ongoing climate disaster is that people will literally believe anything they are told in light of zero scientific evidence

Pherekydes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120819790#Comment_120819790

Probably looking for melting of the permafrost in Siberia, or some such.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120819867#Comment_120819867

If you think there is zero evidence that something is wrong with the climate then you're not paying very close attention

magicbastarder

by the time we have a smoking gun, we'll have a smoking planet. we have no other earth to compare to, so how would you prove it anyway?

i always chuckle at that attitude, we should do nothing till we're sure. that's a hell of a gamble to take.

here's a question you could ask the deniers; what % likelihood is there that global warming is anthropogenic? say they answer 20%.

then say to them, will you give me €1000 of your money, and i'll give it back to you. but wait; there's a 20% chance i won't. they wouldn't in a million years take those odds, but they're happy with doing nothing about global warming because there's only a 20% chance we're to blame.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120819886#Comment_120819886

Hope nobody shows him this

https://www.science.org/content/article/siberia-s-gateway-underworld-grows-record-heat-wave-thaws-permafrost

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120820200#Comment_120820200

You do realise that on any given day climate change doesn't even cross the mind of the vast majority of people?

I suggest a detox from television and internet, and you will find that the world is doing great. 👌

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120819399#Comment_120819399

Yet Canada sets fire to thousands of acres sending smoke everywhere?

AllForIt

I think we need to start thinking about iving underground untll such time we can evacuate to Mars.

Hungry Bear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058303748/worlds-hottest-day-since-records-began

Amazing it's calculated on a global scale.

Supercell

We are headed towards extinction , only a matter of time, probably within the next 200 years or less. Earth will be turned in Venus, "don't look up" in real life.

Only positive I see is that we will probably be OK in Ireland for the next generation or two but 100 years from now who knows. At least I'll be gone as will my kids by then.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120820640#Comment_120820640

So what?

People don't think every day about the harm they're doing to themselves by smoking but some day they'll end up in hospital wishing they had listened to the doctors 30 years ago when it could have made a difference

People are terrible at judging risks, especially long term. By the time the consequence are apparent it's often too late.

We have known for decades about climate change. The consequences are enormous on a global scale yet some people want to wait until they start coughing up blood before accepting the evidence and deciding to act (it's too late by then)

And then there are those who deliberately lie about the science for their own gain. Sociopaths every last one of them

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120820777#Comment_120820777

It really is amazing, not like the localised climate damage that we Irish do to Ireland only.

And one thing is for sure - neither the data will be shown nor the person/people responsible for carrying out the work will be credited.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120823810#Comment_120823810

If climate change is getting worse, then why is life expectancy increasing?

And then there are those who deliberately lie about the science for their own gain. Sociopaths every last one of them

Lie about the science? Can you name me one scientific journal that publishes anti-climate change papers?

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120823956#Comment_120823956

Firstly, changes in human life expectancy is almost entirely based on the wealth of the demographic group you're studying. If you're relatively wealthy you can mitigate the effects of most things, from war to pandemics to climate change.

For lower socio economic groups and even in relatively wealthy places like America, life expectancy is already falling in places due to poor healthcare, addiction, pollution and malnutrition. As climate changes, the impacts on the economy of crop failures, pandemics and war will exacerbate inequality globally and within economies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-62824357

Climate change is one factor out of many that affect human life expectancy. But if economies start to falter due to instability caused by climate change then it's not good for human development.

On the other hand, tackling climate change will lead to cleaner air in our cities and prevent millions of premature deaths and long term illnesses.

Regarding lying about climate science. It's not the peer reviewed science that is dishonest, it's the lobbiests and PR industry, fake experts and cranks who create blogs and YouTube channels just to spread mis-information, who corrupt politics and public discourse. No different to the lies the tobacco industry spread for decades to allow them to addict generation after generation of teenagers, the fossil fuel industry use the exact same tactics.

I'm talking about the paid shills who set up fake institutes and publish fake reports and go on the internet and media spewing out misinformation and 'fear uncertainty and doubt' to deliberately discredit the actual science

Desmog.com has a good database of the thousands of shill groups involved in spreading lies. Sociopaths, all of them including,

Global Warming Policy Foundation

The Heartland Institute

Competition Enterprise Institute

Koch industries (they fund hundreds of individual campaigns, funnelling money through umbrella accounts and anonymous donations)

Etc etc

Billcarson

Why bother even replying to climate change deniers. Waste of Time!

magicbastarder

Markus Antonius is literally a flat earther. Not worth bothering.

Strumms

A few years ago, maybe 4/5 the family decided to buy fans for kitchen, dining room, sitting room and the bedrooms…that scorcher of a summer. ‘18 I think. last week they asked me to have a look to get quotes for air conditioning for a number of rooms…

a few years ago any working/middle class people pricing up aircon for a residential property in Ireland would have been thought of as having too much money and aspirations above their standing.

What I’ve noticed now in the middle of summer is often first thing in the morning and late at night into the AM it’s resembling southern Europe in terms of heat and humidity here.

I can’t sleep with the windows open as two neighbours work nights, one with a loud motorbike, the other one having a hearing problem plus arthritis , like properly mutt and jeff comes back slamming gates and their door…. I’m often woken…

highdef

Can't say I can agree about the late evening/morning resembling southern Europe in great and humidity. I've not experienced that in Ireland.....IE; 25°+ after dark.

Regarding your noisy neighbours, get yourself some wax earplugs and you'll be able to leave your windows open.

https://www.mccabespharmacy.com/quies-pure-wax-ear-plugs-8-pairs.html

dashoonage

I tried hard for many many years, but seeing how the world returned to the chaos so easily post covid ive just give up. The clock is ticking down and were not going to stop it.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120825460#Comment_120825460

Exactly, it's politically impossible. No one is going to vote for party promising less stuff and less opportunities, because there's no realistic way we can keep our levels of consumption and way of life while actually reducing emissions to the extent we need to. We'll carry on as is in rich countries until resources start to become harder to get and then it'll just kick off wars all over the place with all the blame being put upon some other countries, I can't see how it could possibly go any other way.

What I don't understand though is why there's zero mitigation being put in place to deal with what's coming. Ireland imports most of the food we eat for e.g., that could be severely affected in the coming years by drought and extreme weather abroad. Already farmers are struggling in Iberia and Italy etc. due to water shortages. Why aren't we investing in water infrastructure to contain way more than we do already? Should we not be looking at growing more crops that can handle different weather and trying not to be so dependent on imports?

The writing is on the wall that global temps will go up by a couple of C in the coming decades which will cause chaos with weather systems. But let's do absolutely nothing to prepare for it, it's baffling.

Larbre34

Lads, earlier humanity coped with Ice Ages, massive meteorites, volcanic eruptions which mimicked nuclear winter and did away with summer globally as recently as the mid-19th Century. In those eras, their scientific capacity and technological capability was basically nil.

The globe IS going to see a rise in average temperatures by 2 or 3 degrees in the next 150 years.

The reason it will happen is the following:

1) The science of mitigation is uncertain. We do not know that doing everything now, all at once, will make any difference to an almost inevitable.

2) If any major player fails to do their part, with total and utter commitment, we might as well not bother. With the questionable commitment of all of China, India, Brazil, Russia and the US, this is now most likely the destination. Its a political impossibility.

3) Putting the blame and the onus for action on individual households, as well as the cost and consequences, will not work.

4) The World is already overpopulated. A process that reduces net global population over the next couple of centuries is not a bad thing.

5) Can anyone say that the economic cost of mitigation (unconvincing mitigation) will be less than the cost of dealing with individual and regional consequences? I'm far from convinced that it will be.

6) This whole challenge is being sold to people the wrong way. Instead of trying to terrify them, the benefits of local plentiful renewable energy and the reduction on dependency on foreign powers with malign intentions for fossil fuels needs to be emphasised.

7) The way each element is being approached globally, is chaotic. All resources should be on two aspects for now, the reduction in waste material and the increase in renewable energy. All other required changes will follow naturally from that. All of them...

In the meantime, sit back, relax, pour yourself a beer and pop a juicy burger on the barbecue and stop bloody worrying about what you simply cannot change as either an individual, a Country, a region or a global western Community.

odyboody

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120825405#Comment_120825405

Something to consider before you buy.

I had a loan of a portable AC unit from and a power monitor from work.

did a 3 hour comparison and found that the AC running max cooling used 43, yes 43, times the amount of electricity the fan running at full speed.

odyboody

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120825752#Comment_120825752

I hate that all the emphasis is being put on individuals to reduce their carbon footprint, a phrase that thought up by BP when they had their massive oil spill in the gulf of Mexico.

Ryan air, cement factories and power-stations are the biggest emitters in Ireland

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1327020/biggest-polluters-ireland/#:~:text=The%20low%2Dcost%20carrier%20RyanAir,Plant%2C%20which%20emitted%202.7%20MtCO%E2%82%82..

Think everyone has forgotten that their electric cars only means no emissions out the back not no emissions at all.

the.red.baron

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120823956#Comment_120823956

the answer is in the name scientific journals

they only publish science

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829301#Comment_120829301

No, they only publish things that won't turn the climate mob on them or any science that contradicts the narrative supported by billions of dollars a year.

In the 4.543 billion years of the earth's existence. Do you think 143 years of data is a good sample size to conclude that humans are irreparably destroying the planet?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829228#Comment_120829228

But for Ryanair to reduce emissions we'd all need to fly far less, so it's up to the individual too. We'd all need to consume less meat and dairy too, among other things.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829358#Comment_120829358

The climate mob lol. Just realised you're the one who had their windfarm poll go the way you didn't want too, lol.

the.red.baron

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829358#Comment_120829358

they only publish science

you just need to find some for us

they have millions of years of data though, luckily the scientists are smart

I mean the climate issue is what it is, nothing is going to change it really, but we are going to run out of fossil fuels and plastic, so that needs to be dealt with

the main thing is to try and not cause a tipping point climate disaster if we can, so why would you be against that

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120819049#Comment_120819049

For this particular record, some time in the 1970's I think.

cdeb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829390#Comment_120829390

I think while I agree with this, it's hard to see how this will work at a micro/individual level. (Even though, as you say, we can all make our choices)

The steering hand here has to come from a macro level. The EU is a pretty big body - let's say it ended freedom of movement. It only came in, what - 25 years ago? We lived before it.

But emigration/immigration is pretty high carbon, because people who move to another country will inevitably fly back and forth to visit relatives, etc. There's a huge amount of return flights to eastern Europe that simply didn't exist 20 years ago. Going even further afield, an Indian flying home from Ireland, or an Irish person flying home from Australia, will I think generate more carbon in that return flight than the average European citizen in a year (citation I think is that Tim Berners-Lee book, How Bad Are Bananas). Air travel is one of the fastest increasing main sources of carbon there is (along with cloud storage I think, as we all rush to be sustainable and put things into the cloud), but this wasn't mentioned on RTÉ a few weeks back when Dublin Airport announced passenger numbers.

So the question is, can we bring that in politically? And as you've said, the answer is surely no. You'd have the immigrant council calling everyone racist and the D&I people saying we need diversity and all sorts of interest groups shouting it down.

Or we could increase the pension age, to 70 or 72. Reason being that as birth rates decline (a good thing), the pension bill will become unaffordable - but of course we just drive more immigration to increase our population, effectively saying that an increasing population is a requirement of our society (which of course requires, among other things, building loads of new housing at high carbon cost). In fairness, there was discussion around it, but it suffered a quick political death.

So if the wealthiest parts of society can't afford to make the required change - and we're the ones causing the vast majority of emissions - then what hope has the world got?

I do agree with your (and Larbre34's) pessimistic outlook. I was at a conference organised by Chartered Accountants Ireland where the first speaker spoke about needing to reduce emissions by 50% this decade and 100% by 2050. Then they had CRH's sustainability guy as a speaker, who spoke of how they were taking seriously their job of reducing emissions by 25% by 2040. And again it makes you wonder - what hope have we got in the face of that mindset from big business?

(I'm not saying those suggestions are panaceas obviously, but they would at least try address some of the problems)

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829477#Comment_120829477

When the goal of a government is only to grow the economy at all costs, lots of immigrants will be required.

Your plan would also mean Irish prole can't go away either, good luck telling Irish people they can't move abroad or work abroad any more.

cdeb

Oh yeah, completely agree on both counts.

Ultimately though, they're the kind of decisions we're going to have to take to solve this. If we don't want to take them, we're not going to solve the problem.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120819414#Comment_120819414

That would probably depend on whether you wanted the raw numbers or the after 'adjustment' numbers.

DJoSullivan79

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058303748/worlds-hottest-day-since-records-began

US researchers said the new record was the highest in any instrumental record dating back to the end of the 19th century. 

Rather disingenuous this reporting by the many outlets running what clearly is clickbait. For starters its a computer modelled programme that thinks Monday July 3rd was the hottest day, not actual manual recordings of instruments located in standard stations in high quality locations.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120825182#Comment_120825182

This is the correct response every time one of them pops their head out from under the gutter

Str8outtaWuhan

My physics prof in college put all this climate change malarkey in context one day. He said his ancestors walked from Spain to Donegal 10,000 yrs ago without getting their feet wet. They weren't worried when the seas subsequently rose 90 m so he isn't going to worry about them rising 2m.