Sinead O Connor RIP

Agree. Maybe do the Islamic funeral and follow all the traditions they have as she would want.

Then have a public farewell ceremony maybe at the Spire ?? Just a thought.

To me, she was a bit of a ball of contradictions. To have disdain for the Catholic church because (in part) of their attitude towards women, and then to join the Islamic faith who treat women deplorably is a bit of a head scratcher to me. And the whole media portrayal today is as if in 1992 she was the only one who had the abuse issues in the Catholic church figured out is all a bit lame.

A huge talent nonetheless and I'm sorry for all of us that she's gone - In particular for her family. Rest in Peace.

What were you doing to highlight it yourself in 92?

Well we're going on prime time love American tv tearing up pictures of the pope about ?

Then we'd have to say you were a step down in sinead

Giving out to who? Your mom?

Yes I wasn't invited on SNL because I can't sing for ****, or write a song.

What's your point?

Are we supposed to accept that the abuse of the catholic church and the cover ups (including those by Pope JP II when he was Cardinal Wojtyła) weren't known by everyone only for Sinead? That's what the media today are trying to portray.

no they aren't doing that, the are just applauding the amazing moment that it was, very few like it

like all those who were abused certainly knew

people were still being put in laundries at the time

so the cover up was still in full swing

i doubt you knew much about most of the cover ups, unless you are a priest?

Was never a great fan of hers but my god what beautiful eyes and soul melting smile

It matters for Sinead - She converted to Islam and changed her name etc to a Muslim name.

So sure yes, it will be a full Muslim funeral - the family will show respect in line with her beliefs.

Maybe she may not have wanted a Muslim funeral. Who knows? I feel like you are taking personal umbrage that she might not have a Muslim funeral. She might. She might not. No big deal.

I'm busy around the house and I'm listening to some of her music as I go.

I'm finding that some of the songs are really getting to me, taking me by surprise. The impact is particularly profound if I watch her videos. I think the thing that sets her apart is that there was always a guilelessness about her performances. Not a hint of cynicism, nothing calculated about her. Just a sincerity that, today, is heartbreaking.

I always liked Sinead O'Connor's music but I was never a big enough fan that I saw her live or even that I would have mentioned her name if you had asked me what sort of music I liked. Still, I can barely keep it together and the only explanation I can offer is that when you hear her singing you know she meant it, every word. Even if she didn't write the songs, you know she meant it and that's so rare.

An aspect of the US can be extremely hardcore about religion and I think sometimes Irish people don't fully comprehend just how much so. Ireland's certainly had its historical issues with the Catholic Church, most of it was coercive and involved abuse through powers of institutions and behind closed doors and mafia like behaviour.

The US can be quite the opposite, aggressive fire and brimstone stuff aimed directly at you. I experienced it twice when over there as a student. It's absolutely not everyone or everywhere in the US, but there's an element that would be very much in the utter loopers fringes here. We'd be laughing at them, but the Americans take them very seriously, and even elect them to high office. You have to tread very carefully with religion over there in a way you absolutely haven't had to in Ireland for a very long time.

There was very much an Emperor's New Clothes moment in Ireland where we were suddenly able to see straight thought sham of power that was driven by fear, shame and scary institutions that were in reality paper thin once people stopped taking them seriously.

Sinead was a BIG voice in that and played an important role in showing them for what they were.

Looking back at the 1990s coverage of that ripping up the photograph incident. It looks like Ireland had a few probably long gone rosary-bead clutching types who were briefly shocked, but she was very much right and I think people here at least were seeing through the cloak of respectability, and there was definitely a lot of respect and support for her stance. People started step out from the shadows and become braver. You could see that clearly in the writing and coverage at the time and she certainly was not shunned, she was very much embraced and her profile remained high.

I also got the distinct impression that people were appalled at the way she was treated. We don't like anyone attacking someone who is very much in the tradition of Irish rebels and contrarians and I think in a lot of ways she personified our bizarre and complex relationship with religion and the Church, perhaps one that's not as complex now, but she was channeling it something of an Ireland that was in a state of rapid change and bringing down the house on institutions in a way that was long overdue.

She isn't a celebrity or a pop star, rather she's the very definition of a truly great artist and I think unfortunately she's also someone many of us will only really come to fully (or better) understand after she's gone.

Do you expect them to report on things that are not happening?

I quietly ask that you consider the following: Sinead CONVERTED to Islam from Christianity.

from wiki:

In October 2018, O'Connor converted to Islam, calling it "the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian's journey".[150] The ceremony was conducted in Ireland by Sunni Islamic theologian Shaykh Umar Al-Qadri. She also changed her name to Shuhada' Davitt. In a message on Twitter, she thanked fellow Muslims for their support and uploaded a video of herself reciting the adhan, the Islamic call to prayer. She also posted photos of herself wearing a hijab.[151]

People pestered and tormented her all her life.

They tried to tell her “what’s best” for her.

She has sadly passed away.

At least now at this stage will you PLEASE respect her beliefs.