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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Mike3549




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I cant say wether they have or havent conscripted people into their military , the laws are definitely there that they can , the vast majority of ukrainian troops are volunteer's..

    And its also illegal for fighting age men to leave the country ..

    Edit . Just read pauls post above , a lot more accurate , and more info , and the fact that theres conscription and a draft .

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,426 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I spotted that. The user calling him out actually retweeted his own tweet to pretty much confirm what he suspected would be said when the counteroffensive starts.

    But it's more down to the little bit of info/videos we got at the start of the Kherson counteroffensive, where people on here we're saying it was a failure etc....

    Same thing repeating now. Eerily similar to the D-Day landings, especially the timing. Some beach landings will have a harder time punching through the defences etc...

    Just need to have patience and let the AFU do what they do best and have been trained to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭paul71


    Jesus man, you cannot read!


    You are confusing a draft with conscription. A draft is a list, nothing more of men eligible to be conscripted. Some men are avoiding being placed on the draft, that is a precursor to conscription. A call up from the draft is conscription.


    LETS BE VERY CLEAR. NO CALL FROM THE DRAFT HAS HAPPENED IN UKRAINE. A draftee is not conscript until he has been conscripted and no-one has yet been conscripted


    The Ukrainian army today is a mixed professional, called up reservist and volunteer army.


    Your failure to understand the difference between a draftee/a conscript/a reservist/a professional does not change the fact that Ukraine is not operating a conscript army.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    As early as last March men were forcibly conscripted, they didn't volunteer.

    http://archive.today/CexET

    So far Ukraine has forcibly enlisted only those with combat experience, even if much of that experience was derived from conscription. 

    Men who only had experience because of conscription being conscripted because of their conscription. A whole lot of conscription.

    As I said, it is what it is and they're at war with an invader so needs must but we can't call them a volunteer force when they actively conscript, when the very definition of the word is compulsary military service.

    Beverly Hills, California



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    http://archive.today/CexET

    So far Ukraine has forcibly enlisted only those with combat experience, even if much of that experience was derived from conscription. 

    As early as March last year. Keep digging though, they might get you out to the trenches yet.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭paul71


    Called up reservist only are referred to in that article. A reservist joins the army, he made the decision to do so, suddenly saying you do not want to be in the army after a war starts is not F*****g conscription.


    A reservist is a reservist, a conscript is a conscript, a draftee is a draftee and an orange is an orange not an apple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    No, not reservists. Former servicemen, it is right there for you. Also there is the word forcibly, but no doubt you'll dance around that too so I say we agree to disagree.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


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    Looks like 4 American Bradleys, a Polish Brem and a Leopard 2A6. Ouch. Hopefully some crew survived.

    The way they are grouped together, I think they were at the front of the column I described previously (getting attacked by KA-52 gunship). I'll have to go back and check but that video had a bunch of destroyed vehicles arranged very similar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Mraps , Bradleys and leopards stopped and abandoned or destroyed on the 8th





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I saw pics the ukrainians put up of a damaged leopard , that they'd recovered ,

    The impication was that they'd secured the ground , ( at least enough for recovery)

    That the vehicle was repairable , and the crew had survived

    Wether all that was true ?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some of these destroyed vehicles were geolocated to way inside Ukrainian lines. They were taken out from a distance by Russian gunships with long-range missiles. So it's certainly possible that some vehicles were recovered.

    However there's a lot of different footage and photos floating around now so i'm not sure which are which. There's some people online doing good work geolocating the images so I would keep an eye on those sites/accounts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭paul71


    That is an article written by a journalist, he happens to be incorrect. Do you want to know the specialists with skills required in short demand were called SortingYouOut, because I do know who specialist skill that was called up SortingYouOut. They called up Accountants sortingyouout, they had a shortage of payroll specialist to deal with the volunteers.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,357 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Might not be the leopard that has hit by artillery along side Bradleys and mraps ,

    There will always be an element of downplaying Ukrainian loses either on social media or here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,426 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    There was a video of some abandoned/damaged/stuck vehicles being recovered the other day by Ukraine. Video was posted after the Russian drone footage. But it's impossible to know when or where it was taken.

    But if they were recovering vehicles, they appeared to have taken and secured that specific ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,811 ✭✭✭threeball


    I very much doubt they are commiting too much forward at this time. I'm imagine its mainly APC's, probing getting troops into position before getting out of dodge before returning with another batch. Troops are hard to target whilst vehicles are easy meat if they're stopped for even a short period. Troops can move from cover to cover and they can always call in artilery strikes if the going gets hot. I'd be very surprised if they're committing too many tanks to the frontline as the moment as you're essentially hanging them out to dry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Its fine, we can agree to disagree. You know better than the multiple journalists for the likes of the Economist etc.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Not that I don't believe you but you got a link to the thread or source that explains this?

    Cheers.

    The video of the confirmed Leopard kill was 100% not bradleys in company with it more like m113APC



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,357 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    It's in a twitter thread about it. They ran it through a AI detector and it came back 84% likely to be AI generated. Some big telltales there anyway with the differing focus on the different pieces of equipment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,426 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The layout of the vehicles in that picture actually match the older drone footage, so I don't believe it was AI generated.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I think the thesis that the dam failed due to high water pressure alone is getting progressively weaker:





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭zv2


    Is there confusion here about a draftee who is trying to dodge and has to be persuaded? That does not make him a conscript.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭zv2


    Russia lost 10 tanks in the last 24 hours...that's the average over the past few days. The actual number of tanks is likely to be much higher than the verified number and Ukr. are saying about 3,900 at this point.



    Post edited by zv2 on

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No, it hasn't.

    If a random lad on twitter feeding an image into an online AI detector meets your bar for 'confirmation' then you have set the bar very low. Online AI detectors are unreliable to the point of useless.

    The image comes from a video. The video pans across the scene and frames from the video have been stitched together (panorama) to present the scene in one go. So it's definitely edited, but not how you think.

    https://i.imgur.com/qzov0JA.mp4
    


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,093 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The losses actually got even worse later on.

    8 Bradley's all destroyed/disabled within a few metres of each other. What were they thinking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They don't have combined arms operations ,they are applying what they learned with Nato forces and trying to operate like Nato forces without artillery and no aircover from aircraft or helicopter gunships,they are always going to face large vehicle losses facing Russian artillery on open ground, while also facing large minefields ,



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I believe this video shows the column I pictured above being attacked by Russian KA-52 gunship. At the front of the column are a bunch of destroyed vehicles - the number and arrangement looks very similar. But hard to be certain.

    You can see how it's a turkey shoot for the Russians. It takes 20s for the missile to reach their target so he's firing from around 10km away. If these are VIKHR missiles I believe he will carry 12 of them.

    We don't see it in the video but the normal tactic for the gunship will be to hide behind trees etc, pop up just enough to see the target, the pop back down. He stays low enough that Ukrainian sams can't see him. Ukraine are going to need to do something about these gunships if they want to proceed with the offensive.

    https://i.imgur.com/cz3zKrI.mp4
    


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,560 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    For now, everything has to be taken with a grain of salt but armor losses are to be expected when Ukraine are on the offensive.

    Also, I think it's worth bearing in mind that while the UAF's recent volunteers and reservics call ups may have received NATO level training, an awful lot of them are still going to be very green. There will be tactical mistakes made in the field and, sadly, lives and materiel lost as a result of those mistakes. It takes combat time for a battalion of soldiers to become battle hardened veterans. And those that become such are the survivors of the mistakes that build experience.

    A different war and a different type of soldier but a group revered as some of the finest soldiers of all time (and which I happen to know the stats for): when Easy Company left England on the eve of D-Day they were 139 men strong. By the end of their time in Carantan, just 69 enlisted men and 5 officers were left (roughly a month later).

    The counter-offensive is going to be similar: Ukraine are going to have to pay a heavy price to liberate their lands but it's quite clear it's a price they're willing to pay (and tbh, one they have little choice about unless they're happy to abandon their fellow countrymen and women to their fate at the hands of a brutal genocidal invader).



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