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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭WheelieKing


    There's a few videos circulating of what looks like some pretty heavy losses on the Ukraine side today. Including Leopard 2 tanks. Lots of vehicles bunched up really close together and getting picked off by artillery which you would have thought Western training would have told them was a bad idea. Hopefully it's going much better than those videos suggest!  Ukraine isn't saying much so it's really hard to tell.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    This is what Russia did at the start of the war and how they were stopped.

    Why did Ukraine think it was a good idea to try the same??


    Not a good start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭IdHidden


    Socialist don’t normally support right wing fascist imperialist aggression.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Not a good start.

    Unfortunately this is how it starts men and women are going to die and die in numbers until they break the Russian lines ,this cannot be avoided,they have zero aircover,no helicopter gunships other than Soviet designs lobbing unguided rockets towards a location no guarantee that they will hit anything,no fast jet capable of carrying out CAS missions,

    But they have started and this will keep going until they run out of equipment, vehicles and men or they kill or incapacitate every Russian soldier currently inside ukraine first



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭WheelieKing


    Pretty down looking at the whole situation today. Seeing the Russian army shell people evacuating the floods is about as low as it get's for the human species.

    I know it's never going to happen but you'd love to see NATO fly in a load of troops to Kherson to provide cover for the red cross and other agencies to help those poor people trying to escape. That would piss the Moscow dwarf off no end but as usual he'd do the square root of fu ck all. Sometimes you just have to say screw this and do the right thing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I understand losses are inevitable, but what sort of plans and directions are they taking when they make the same mistakes the Russians made at the start of the war?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Sometimes they do and often in power they outmatch in savagery and imperial ambition.


    For sheer volume of corpses the Red flag is not going to be beaten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭WheelieKing


    The Russians will be dug in deep. I don't think they'll turn and run as easily as some presume when the going get's tough. They've had months to prepare for this and as other more knowledgeable posters have said Ukraine are going to lose massive amounts of men and women in an attempt to claim back what's rightfully their's. That's inevitably true and an absolute tragedy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    It’s utterly depressing that Russia keep doing this stuff yet the West are afraid to Intervene.


    Enough is enough. Grow some balls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Ukraine are not going to be pushing Russia back to the border or taking Crimea by the end of the year. That was always fanciful thinking by many here and elsewhere.

    By the same token the early set backs, if they are as bad as some videos seem to suggest, hopefully will not define the whole counteroffensive. We are only going to see the worst losses celebrated and posted by the Russian side, but Ukranian gains may not be as clear for some time yet.

    Its going to be a long few days, weeks or even months waiting on good news from this offensive, hopefully it will be worth it for the amount of lives that will be lost for the Ukranians in trying to liberate their land.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    This war crime needs action the nuclear plant is next unless its handed over to an independent monitor Russia has no morales it had 2 hostages 1 remaining

    Russian denials are lies

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,093 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I was saying things like this last year, the funny thing (I am not laughing, believe me) is that you were mocking me about it.

    The Russians have multiple lines of defences in the south. They expect the Ukrainian attack. They have drones in the air that can spot the Ukrainian attack the minute it has entered Russian held territory. As far as I can tell, they still have the artillery advantage based on the heavy damage they have dealt to Ukrainian formations so far.

    It's up to Ukraine to overcome this. Based on what I've seen so far, instead of concentrating an attack on an area, they seem to be dispersing it. I would have thought they would have concentrated a lot of force on an area in attempt to punch a hole, but so far that is not to be the case. This could be part of a greater plan, I don't know, we will have to see what happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,621 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Do they have 50,000 fighters or so to draw on across all the brigades? They will take losses initially because they are now on the offensive and the Russians had months to build fortified defenses. Still all the people panicking need to realise that once the Russian defenses are breached you will see rapid advancements like we saw in Kherson a few months back. The Russians are no match for a NATO trained force backed by superior weaponry. It might takes two to three weeks for the Russian defensive lines to to be breached, but happen it will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I'm not going to draw conclusions from any videos released from the moskovyte side other than whatever they are saying happened is most likely to be lies as has been consistently demonstrated by all statements from the moskovytes since their attempts to commit widespread genocide throughout Ukraine escalated last year. The mistakes being shown being the same as the ones the moskovytes made themselves is most likely down to lack of imagination from the moskovyte video editors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The sickening thing about Ukraine not being fully prepared for this invasion was the fact that they just marched through the south and captured large parts unopposed. I can't understand how Ukraine hadn't set up massive defenses at the Crimean bottleneck.

    Minefields everywhere and soldiers ready to defend armoured and air attacks. A defensive line from Vuhledar to Berdyansk could have saved a lot of Ukrainian land.

    Now Ukraine have to suffer heavy losses to take it back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭IdHidden




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The sickening thing about Ukraine not being fully prepared for this invasion was the fact that they just marched through the south and captured large parts unopposed. I can't understand how Ukraine hadn't set up massive defenses at the Crimean bottleneck.

    Kiev would have fallen right on Putin's schedule then, in the north I imagine. They hopped right over from Belarus.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Do you have some way of stopping Russia from re arming and invading again in 112 months time? Because that is all that will happen. Will you push to reward the Russians for invading Ukraine again with yet more land for aa ceasefire then as well? What about when they invade Georgia?


    People are in favour of a ceasefire that stops any chance of further Russian aggression. Russia will not accept those terms however and Daly is more than willing to sacrifice lives down the line if she can give out about the US now.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    There is precedent for right wing facist imperialists to call themselves socialists to get elected though.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    If its real footage, then there are a few possibilities. It may not be Ukrainian strategy but maybe a local commander made a mistake or gave bad orders. It could be that they thought they were out of artillery range. It could be a diversion of old tanks. It could be that the fields are still impassible due to weather and so they took a risk on the road as the only way through.

    But if after all that it is the deliberate tactics of the Ukrainian army, which I doubt, hopefully they wont repeat it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    The "reds" had power in the USSR for 70 years, the Nazis in Germany for 12 (and they did their mass slaughtering in only 5), if the Nazis had power for 70 years they would have made the actions of Stalin look like an English reverend's afternoon tea party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The only way of advancing fast unfortunately is by road. Cross country is painfully slow giving the enemy loads of time to bring in resources and set up traps. Without air superiority the western equipment will always be vulnerable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yes, what with our heroically neutral stance in that war, bit like some neutral countries in this war that can't seem to decide who the real bad guys are ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    I'm expecting the usual suspects to pop up and tell us the videos must be fake (and who knows, it's not impossible)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,246 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Ukraine lacks a critical resource - manpower. It's not equipment they lack. Crucially conjuring up numbers can not replace experience that has been lost since the start of the war.

    Thr Russians have long dug in and it's hard to see how Ukraine can break through those lines sometimes with trenches many deep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭strathspey


    ....only because one could never believe a word emanating from a russian mouth. I mean if a russian said it was raining, you'd go outside to check.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,491 ✭✭✭circadian


    How do you expect to obtain a meaningful ceasefire or diplomacy when they're shelling rescue operations as a result of a catastrophe of their own creation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I suspect such large advances occurred after the Russians were on a disorganised retreat and the vast majority of Ukrainian men and equipment were advancing by road, not cross country. Great for speed but may get caught out now and again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,444 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They're winding others up, there is no content to it, no plan, no coherence of thought, no discussion to be had.

    But the clare daly references are usually brought in before they go off the deep end into full putinbot/"I'm being persecuted for being a putinbot" mode.

    Then there will be another account doing the exact same thing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,465 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I think some people are forgetting during the Kherson offensive UAF look heavy losses initially, particularly one unit that got completely taken out. But we know how they ended up with a substantial UAF victory.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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