What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

All they need do is put as much as possible into a pension fund. It's never wrong to make a profit and tax is a side effect of that a bit of creative accountancy with stock figures etc will defray some of that.

Many medium sized dairy farmers are already in company setups

Which tax bill and profit would you prefer last year or 4-5 years ago.

All using stock values to defray tax is to give you an opportunity to sort it out over a number of years. It the same as buying this year's fertilizer last year. You then have to put other things in place to sort it long-term.

For instance there is limits to what you can contribute to a pension fund. Say that is 20% of your income. However your are looking at a tax bill on 100k income. You can only put 20k in. However if you readjust your stock numbers your income might be 60 so 12k into the pension and you keep repeating it until you get your stock values back into the correct position again.

Or for that matter you may not be able to pay family wages as your children are too young. You could try to use stock values to to shield income so that you could readjust your figures 1-2 years later as your children go over 14 years of age.

It's mu h the same as buying this year's fertilizer last year it just give you a bit of breathing space to avoid the worst of the effect.

Sure who’d be mad to try that

Any quotes got for 18-6-12 ?

Thanks . It’s hard to believe the smaller merchants can do better price wise on fertilizer .

Could it possibly also be that smaller merchants would not have as much cash flow to have forward bought much Fert to leave sitting in their yards over winter?

I didn’t ask that. It was 19-0-15 I was pricing as I’ve a lot of index 4 P ground and I just asked about the nitrogen then while we were having the conversation. I’d imagine it’s only standard can when I didn’t specify sulpha can.

That collected?

No delivered

I’m out of market till late may …..know of a few around me grouping together and organising artic loads from up north …..the savings are huge in comparasion to what Liffeys and Arrabawn are quoting atm ….there dropping prices but not fast enough ….coops selling at high prices and dropping milk prices like lead will get little sympathy and custom and serves them right

Cf a shower of cnuts that make dirty larry look honest, tried banning urea under green agenda 2 years ago. Deadtractor went with them to make it limited use in the spring if you want to sell assured grain.

Nitram from Poland

Yara is generally miles off on price unless wanted veg type special blends or pricy trace elements.

Diamond

Origin big supplier of straights

Bunns

Most urea/an atm is not commonlly branded product from eastern europe or egypt

Blends are a very small size of the market now with straights working out 10's of percentages cheaper if you've done the work to know whats wanted and can swallow 2+ passes and a historic supply of cheap alternative like burnt chivken poo or slagg from steel production,sludge,digestate and greenwaste composting etc

What are the prices for the equivalent of 18-6-12 and pasture sward per ton up north. I rang fane valley and they kept on about the analysis of the fertilser, and they couldnt help me as they didnt seem to know the north's equivalent of 18-6-12 and pasture sward.

Is there any issue with an ordinary part timer heading north to get a few tonne at a time?…….

Of course distance away from border would be a big factor.

Prices dropping daily around here now in the smaller merchants. CAN can be got for €630 now in 2 places with one of them predicting it to drop more by middle of next week. Hopefully it stays going that way.