What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

valtra2

Urea 765

Pasture swart 825

Cut swart 835

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120397866#Comment_120397866

Urea €670 in the midlands.

There is one bigger merchant quoting €770 but I doubt he’ll sell too much when there’s 2 men within a few miles of him €100 cheaper.

Grueller

Are we all hearing the same as myself, that straight nitrogen I.e CAN and urea will drop away, but compounds are going to be stubbornly expensive for the foreseeable?

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120398254#Comment_120398254

Hearing similar here but I think there's a good bit in compounds for later in the year 🤔

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120390123#Comment_120390123

Yara uk and yara Ireland have 2 different prices for fert

ceo of yara uk and yara Ireland is the same person

stanflt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120399763#Comment_120399763

Yara urea is 565 in the south- it’s the same price in the north

ABitofsense

Priced couple local places today for cutsward. 850e & 810e in big CO-OPs in Midlands and 720e at my local small agri store. Some difference. Local spot told me wait till next week as they expect it to drop again.

jimmy G M

Just off the phone from my local independent merchant. Prices per Ton, bulk bags

CAN €720

18.6.12 €820

10.10.20 €840

UREA €740

He has stock in the yard and these are his prices until that is sold and he need s to re-order.

North East Galway area.

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120399845#Comment_120399845

You’re a better man than me or anyone else I know if getting urea fir 565 down here

stanflt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120400032#Comment_120400032

I think it’s the fact of where I live- 25 minutes to the border- it’s also an advantage when selling dairy stock - cows tend to be cheaper further down the country

roosterman71

€830 for 18-6-12 in Tírlan/Glanbia/Avonmore in Laois. Was told to wait a week and it should be €800. Cash and no delivery

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120400032#Comment_120400032

To be got today in Galway at 550 cash up front 🤑🤑🤑

jimmy G M

Where is that? Pm me if you prefer.

Itryhard

I'd appreciate a PM here also as to who the Galway supplier is. Thanks

Limestone Cowboy

Yara 18-6-12 €750

mr.stonewall

Surely in the current climate, has this the potential to bring down one of the big fertiliser companies

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120402113#Comment_120402113

I doubt it. They mad €500 per ton plus on last years stock. They’re looking at losing €200 per ton on a small amount of forward bought stock this year before they’re back to their normal operating margin. I can’t see it troubling them really.

ginger22

Local merchant claims he is loosing 50 Euros a ton on stock only a week old. Prices are falling by the day.

straight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120402380#Comment_120402380

Didn't make a penny I bet just like everyone else.

Siamsa Sessions

Anyone know what Urea or 18-6-12 is making around the south east?

older by the day

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120402486#Comment_120402486

I said my coop manager a year ago. That they were selling last years fertilizer at the new high prices. He said that he's was selling at the replacement price. I know of other lads got a lorry of fert thru the coop before the price went sky high. When " there wasn't a bag left"

Well fuuuck him now. I'm going backing the pocket from now on. Calculate what the Cheapest price is. And go for that.

Pinsnbushings

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120403464#Comment_120403464

I got a similar spiel from a local merchant..they agree on a volume of fertilizer they will take and then it is priced weekly apparently..in fairness he even made it sound believable as he said it at the time..funnily enough that doesn't seem to be the case this year as he's still north of 750/ton for everything.

Dickie10

i have 3 and 4 index pottassium and phospherous gound for grazing, he trick?would this need a compound fertiliser or would just nitrogen straight do the trick? on lands that are 2 index for pottassium whats a good all round fertilizer, most of the land is around 6-6.3 for ph

weatherbyfoxer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120403857#Comment_120403857

25kg of urea to the acre on your grazing ground be ideal,18.6.12 is a good all round fertilizer for lower indexes without seeing soil sample results or the ground itself

kevthegaff

Gas accountants told me to buy a good bit last year to help the tax bill as moving to company. Said I'd save 50 percent on price on tax, getting close to no saving now!!:-D

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120403996#Comment_120403996

An accountant bis an accountant. A farmer is a farmer. A business man is a businessman man. A trader is a trader. While sometimes the skillset are transferable it's not always the case.

I never saw the case for buying fertlizer last year. The question I always ask people is '' when fertlizer was cheap( urea @350, Can @ 230) did you buy the next year's supply, because if you did not WTF would you forward buy at 1k+/ ton''

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120404124#Comment_120404124

Your rationale is faulty.

If you deemed there to be a risk of supply in the Spring, then you would have covered the period of risk that you could not do without fertiliser. Many did this. As it turned out, there was no need to have taken this cover, however the peace of mind alone was worth it.

In the ops case, position taking before going into a company far outweiged the risk on product price. As the op says above, even though he ended up buying fertiliser at double the price he could have bought now, he still ended up in the same financial position.

The final reason why people took position on fert last Autumn was because of the publicised implementation of the fertiliser register which was timed for Jan 1st.

K.G.

The signals of price downturn were there last autumn

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120404165#Comment_120404165

The tax assumption is deeply flawed. It would require the buyer having drawings only at less than there tax credits this year and all fertlizer costs to be at higher rate last year. The latter is a given. The former is unlikely that a farmer of that scale would not be using there 20% allowance every year. The saving in that case are in the order of 22/23%.

Yes there may be tax reasons to do it (eg children getting to an age where tax allowances can be used), however all other tax efficiencies ( pension contribution etc) should have been used up first.

As well the farmer should not have been in a company set up which many dairy farmer were.

On the register any fertilizer bought after 15th September could not have been spread last year. In any inspection regarding the register this may come to light.

Assumption is the mother of all f@@kups. Look at farmers that fixed a substantial amount of there milk. Thinking you will beat the market is often a flawed assumption. It takes certain trading skills and even really good traders lose everyone and again.

I still make the case on a pure market analyst buying products when it was at a historically high price (250%+ of five year average and over triple of a the two year average) was deeply flawed.

older by the day

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120404600#Comment_120404600

It's easy to talk now. No harm getting a few extra pallets of fertilizer last year. With milk dropping it will cut a bit of cost this year. And who knows. What will happen this year yet with Putin shifting his nuclear missiles west the road. This time three years we were in the middle of a lock down. Last June we were told we could only buy up to a limit.

So it's amazing how you know everything. I enjoy your posts. They irritate me but in a kind of good way