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What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

cacs

I work for myself and I have Seen a lot of S* ** by big business in the last 18 months. Big global corporations have been manipulating the markets a lot since the start of pandemic and making huge profits by throttling supply of goods. One product we bought a lot of unrelated to agriculture went from €4.39 to 18.60. I just wonder are we going to have an expensive summer

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older by the day

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120329623#Comment_120329623

No harm to have bought a few extra ton.

There will be a lot of sorry faces on dairy farmers leaving the accountants office this year, when they see 2022 tax bill

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120358106#Comment_120358106

All they need do is put as much as possible into a pension fund. It's never wrong to make a profit and tax is a side effect of that a bit of creative accountancy with stock figures etc will defray some of that.

Many medium sized dairy farmers are already in company setups

Which tax bill and profit would you prefer last year or 4-5 years ago.

older by the day

I must change accountant. Creativity with stock numbers is one thing . But soon my cows will be valued the same as JEX bull calves.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120358866#Comment_120358866

All using stock values to defray tax is to give you an opportunity to sort it out over a number of years. It the same as buying this year's fertilizer last year. You then have to put other things in place to sort it long-term.

For instance there is limits to what you can contribute to a pension fund. Say that is 20% of your income. However your are looking at a tax bill on 100k income. You can only put 20k in. However if you readjust your stock numbers your income might be 60 so 12k into the pension and you keep repeating it until you get your stock values back into the correct position again.

Or for that matter you may not be able to pay family wages as your children are too young. You could try to use stock values to to shield income so that you could readjust your figures 1-2 years later as your children go over 14 years of age.

It's mu h the same as buying this year's fertilizer last year it just give you a bit of breathing space to avoid the worst of the effect.

straight

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stanflt

Sure who’d be mad to try that

Gudstock

Anyone pooling with neighbours or friends and bringing down fert loads from the north?

Young95

Any quotes got for 18-6-12 ?

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120368058#Comment_120368058

I priced two local merchants in the last few days.

One fairly big midlands merchant (plenty of big fancy dark blue Scania’s on the road with his name on them!) was €775 for nitrogen, €820-€840 for compounds.

Another small merchant, Urea €750, all compounds €780, nitrogen €720.

Young95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120368407#Comment_120368407

Thanks . It’s hard to believe the smaller merchants can do better price wise on fertilizer .

Pinsnbushings

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120368854#Comment_120368854

More nimble I suppose, big merchants have big piles of dearer product still to shift..bought urea for 770 yday just enough to get going as nothing out yet. Hope to hold off on silage ground for 10 days to a fortnight

Bleating Lamb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120368854#Comment_120368854

Could it possibly also be that smaller merchants would not have as much cash flow to have forward bought much Fert to leave sitting in their yards over winter?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120369102#Comment_120369102

I say that is the reality. Few smaller merchants could afford to carry 2.5k tons of fertilizer over the winter with a book value of over 2 million.

Co-op were stupid to take the risk. What really begs the question is if this gamble had paid off would they have sold this at a normal margin, would they used it to grab market share by diluting more expensive product or would they have taken the time extra margin and said thank you very much

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120368407#Comment_120368407

Was that 720 for sulphur can.

hopeso

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120369250#Comment_120369250

You only have to go back to the beginning of this thread to see what they were selling old stock for after the price began to rise to answer that question......

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120369687#Comment_120369687

I didn’t ask that. It was 19-0-15 I was pricing as I’ve a lot of index 4 P ground and I just asked about the nitrogen then while we were having the conversation. I’d imagine it’s only standard can when I didn’t specify sulpha can.

stanflt

Urea available north east at 595 in 2 different depots

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370306#Comment_120370306

That collected?

Dunedin

Anyone know much about the UK brands that seem to be available cheaper. CF, Glasson and Yara seem to be the 3 big uk brands.

stanflt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370380#Comment_120370380

No delivered

stanflt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370755#Comment_120370755

Yara is by far the best quality fertiliser you could buy-

i wouldn’t touch grassland ifi etc after spreading yara

mahoney_j

I’m out of market till late may …..know of a few around me grouping together and organising artic loads from up north …..the savings are huge in comparasion to what Liffeys and Arrabawn are quoting atm ….there dropping prices but not fast enough ….coops selling at high prices and dropping milk prices like lead will get little sympathy and custom and serves them right

alps

Coops have a captured market, and they'll ride it. Only those who can pay up front can avoid their clutches.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370755#Comment_120370755

Cf a shower of cnuts that make dirty larry look honest, tried banning urea under green agenda 2 years ago. Deadtractor went with them to make it limited use in the spring if you want to sell assured grain.

Nitram from Poland

Yara is generally miles off on price unless wanted veg type special blends or pricy trace elements.

Diamond

Origin big supplier of straights

Bunns

Most urea/an atm is not commonlly branded product from eastern europe or egypt

Blends are a very small size of the market now with straights working out 10's of percentages cheaper if you've done the work to know whats wanted and can swallow 2+ passes and a historic supply of cheap alternative like burnt chivken poo or slagg from steel production,sludge,digestate and greenwaste composting etc

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370817#Comment_120370817

Would straight p/k be used in the dairy world to front load or is that looking for trouble compared to crops as the saving can be low fractions and blends dont spread wide very well.

I suppose it's the smoke and mirrors suppliers use to make the margin bit like lime and wether they have sieved out the goodness to make cement and sell something that might start working in a few years, maybe.

mike123123

What are the prices for the equivalent of 18-6-12 and pasture sward per ton up north. I rang fane valley and they kept on about the analysis of the fertilser, and they couldnt help me as they didnt seem to know the north's equivalent of 18-6-12 and pasture sward.

alps

AFAIK Fane valley are 50% owners of Drummonds. I'm surprised that they will compete with it's southern company.

Interestingly the other 50% is owned by freshgrass /(grasslands). Grasslands boss, Liam Woulfe is chair of Drummonds.

He is also a bord member of teagasc..

Bleating Lamb

Is there any issue with an ordinary part timer heading north to get a few tonne at a time?…….

Of course distance away from border would be a big factor.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120390123#Comment_120390123

I am surprised that any fertilizer retailers in NI did not know the equivalent to Southern formulation. There is more than one way to. E unhelpful.

It would be anti competitive not to quote. To plead to not knowing our formulations is a hand get out of gaol clause.

DBK1

Prices dropping daily around here now in the smaller merchants. CAN can be got for €630 now in 2 places with one of them predicting it to drop more by middle of next week. Hopefully it stays going that way.