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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Spring 2023 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭TTLF
    save the trouble and jazz it up


    Obviously Ireland and the UK can have different weather at the best of times but the met office just released a level 3 cold alert for the northern midlands of the UK which they wouldn’t have warranted if they were to go off what the ECM showed this morning…



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    At the moment caution is definitely advised we may need another day or 2 of model runs to see where we are for next week but at this stage I wouldn't be discounting the mild ECM/GEM runs. Cold looks likely from Monday but there is a chance it could all be over by Wednesday with the Atlantic sweeping in mild air, eyes down on the GFS/GEM and ECM 12z later today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭esposito


    It’s amazing how quickly the mild air can move in off Atlantic and spoil things. Do we ever have any luck these days?

    As you say this afternoon’s 12z’s will be important. Still all to play for with a few more swings to come I’d say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    One again (like the 12Z), the ECM was a milder outlier from Wednesday. The main risk of more widespread snow next week comes from the Atlantic system. It will either be a slider low (snow) or one that completely sweeps away the cold (snow to rain event). I note that neither the AO or NAO return to positive territory in their indices so a breakdown on Thursday is far from certain.


    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    I’m off on Sunday for 1 week so I’ll miss any potential snow at home. Apart from showers, my hunch is somewhere on the island will get lucky with a frontal system. Potential is there for a persistent fall of snow. Hopefully I see some myself this week but chances currently look better at home. Hopefully you all get your fix!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,512 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    I'd say Donegal is a shoe-in for some snow unless the Atlantic really roars in faster than expected, pity you wont be there, or maybe not depending on your perspective!

    Its a fairly slack airflow on Tuesday according to the fax T120 with low pressure to the east, there will likely be some CB's in the Irish sea, maybe some coastal areas - Arklow I'm thinking of you!, might get brushed by some at least.

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,242 ✭✭✭pauldry


    The same Joanna forecast a sunny day in the West last Sunday during Saturdays forecast. She's known to be wrong sometimes.

    First 10 days of March will be cold apart from Wednesday. So milder Wednesday but then cooler air digs in again and back to 6s and 7s.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,018 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    GFS still going for frontal snow across the south on Thursday on the 12Z



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Not sure what I make of this since everything seems so uncertain especially snow and where it will fall and by how much, but this is the snowiest run I've seen for my area since 2018.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    March continues to trend fairly chilly overall. A cold spell to come during the working week, should be relatively mild by Friday and into the weekend, however this mild change could get delayed. Not long after this we go cold again with a trend for another cold spell to occur including Saint Patricks Day and a bit beyond that.

    Unlikely to verify but this looks potentially quite stormy for Scotland, certainly windy and feeling raw. For us it would still very fairly windy and showery at times.

    This low pressure is centred close to us so the northerly flow would this time be unstable with mixed wintry showers making their way down across many parts of the country.

    Stays very chilly until the 20th of March with a chance of milder Atlantic air coming around the high pressure from the north-west from the 21st, but depending on positioning of high presssure, we could still be in the cold at this point.


    Above charts from the GFS 6z.

    Ensemble graph from the GFS 00z shows the trend for a second cold spell quiet clearly.

    Also to note the extended dry spell since early January is now coming to an end. Turning more unsettled from today with mixed wintry precipitation before a milder push for a while over the weekend, staying unsettled throughout and the possibility of another cold spell next week.

    Back to the 6z for Precipitation and it looks fairly wet overall, although not as overly wet as the 00z.

    Anyone wanting dry and mild/warm weather is going to have to wait a while.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS continues to trend towards another cold spell next week.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Unfortunately it looks like there will be a brief warm up over the weekend , but then it does look to go cold again across many of the models.



  • Registered Users Posts: 690 ✭✭✭US3


    Hoping the trend of cold spring scorching summer ala 2013/2018 continues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    theres always a ten day teaser from the ECM and here’s today’s ....




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It would be better if the very cold uppers -20 air - was about to descend on us. Has that ever happened before? I am guessing the answer is no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    I think the 1987 pipe burster is the closest there is to -20 uppers in the archives?




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I remember the 1987 event very well, there were alot of frozen and burst pipes and plenty of snow plus a week off school. I finished off the event by building a snow mountain in the front garden to see how long it would last after the grass level snow had melted away. Got about an extra 10 days of snow in the garden because of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    -14 uppers 11 March 2013 is the best I remember for March.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Looking at some of the models this morning it looks like standard March fare for next week, cool and unsettled in a more zonal flow. No real sign of Northern Blocking returning , just weak wedges of heights at times.

    Post edited by nacho libre on


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Now that many of us will see sleet and snow today, once this cold snap is over I think many will just want more Spring like conditions to get going. Just hope we are not going back into a deluge pattern, nobody wants that.

    Back to the models and next weeks potential cold spell trend is getting downgraded considerably and may not be more than a 24 hour glancing blow of cool air from the north. The Atlantic is looking fairly mobile for the next week or two with no shortage of precipitation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Unfortunately with a west based nao looking to emerge we are likely to get a conveyor belt of lows, so we will probably be waiting a while for settled conditions. It was looking good for another Northerly on the UKMO and GFS up until recently. Unless there is a sudden change, it would seem today is our last hurray courtesy of the recent SSW.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    yep I feel the next 36 hours will be winters exit here. Second half of March is likely to be fairly unsettled and relatively mild in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Shame we could not have a chart like this come to fruition in January or February. I just hope our luck comes soon in that we get a ssw that delivers during the heart of winter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    NAO dipping back into negative territory later this week

    A much colder turn in the second half of tonight's GFS pub run. Spring remaining on hold until April perhaps.


    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    You wait all winter for a boxed in Greenland High then one comes along at the very end of March. If this isn't trolling I don't know what is!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    Is it though? Surely this is the most common time of year for Greenland highs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    UK met office long range suggesting drier and cooler conditions too.

    Towards the end of March, pressure may become higher across northern areas and will likely be accompanied by colder conditions, whilst southern areas could see further wet weather at times. The northern edge of any rain will still be prone to fall as snow, but given the time of year, wintry hazards will likely become increasingly transient.


    Tuesday 28 Mar - Tuesday 11 Apr

    Confidence remains fairly low during this period. However, there are signs of more settled, drier conditions becoming established over much of the UK. Temperatures expected to be cooler than average with the greatest chance of significant rainfall and milder conditions in the south

    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, with the Polar Vortex naturally on the wane, April is the most likely time for Greenland Highs. I was just venting my frustration that we could not get a proper one, that did not become west based or decline quickly during winter. Perhaps next winter, if we get a moderate Él nino with a Easterly based qbo, we might get Northern Blocking in the heart of winter?

    Post edited by nacho libre on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    No sign of spring warmth here. It's interesting to see where the lows are originating from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    Correct. No sign of any warmth whatsoever which pretty much seals a below average IMT for March. Precip levels should be close to normal with sunshine a lower than average based on the output.


    www.x.com/wolfeeire



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    GFS control run playing an April Fools joke


    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Bank! I mean if only this was two months ago Cluedo monopoly. Has this thought ever struck you :)

    ECM Control is cooler for the end of March as well.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    looking at the charts posted above is heart breaking stuff after an entire winter without any verified eye candy. The coming week should be milder than average but the final week of March is definitely showing up a bit of a cooling trend. Yesterday's warmth was for me was the first signal that we are on the road to summer. Cold, cold go away you had your chance in winter and blew it. Hopefully we can get some nice high pressure charts going for April and May to end Spring on a warmer and dryer note.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The UKMO long range is indicating drier weather into April but it will be cool. So could be a high pressure to North or North west maybe in that scenario. Of course settled in England does not always guarantee we will be settled too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Hooter23


    There is still a lot of very cold air to the north...near the end of the month cold air still coming down to some places...it looks like its disrupting the jetstream more and bringing down freezing cold to some countries and sending very warm air up from the south to other places...so we could still end up with any kind of weather from the end of the month onwards...could even get record cold or record warmth for the time of year in some countries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    Ecm mean is quite cold with a greater chance of colder weather impacting the northern half of the island. All models showing potential for stormy weather at the end of the month.


    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Hooter23


    Yes could be storms too with very cold winter air colliding and mixing with very warm spring air from the south..no storms showing up yet on the charts though...we have even got fairly big storms even into May in recent years too...so expect anything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Storms (maybe not enormous ones) would at least give us some sun after the rain belts and wind fields went through. The endless months of drizzle down south are beginning to grate. We haven't had a single full day of uninterrupted sun for absolutely months. You'd usually get that at some stage in winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,242 ✭✭✭pauldry


    We often get cold weather heading into April. Remember a couple of years and it being 2 or 3c in the showers and 8c in the sun in April so probably just something like that.

    Nothing unusual happens in Spring weatherwise. I find it the most boring or the seasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Early spring is terrible, late April / May can be nice if we get a first taste of some warmth.

    After all the rain we've had this March, i'm quite confident of at least some of spring being dry and pleasant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭esposito


    Have to agree. Spring is boring. Roll on summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭KanyeSouthEast


    Don’t think we have a spring. It’s just winter but more daylight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    From an imby perspective, even when we do get good weather in late Spring it tends to be accompanied by Southerly winds and so you get a big wind chill off the still cool sea down here. We often get days in April and May when it's 20c in, say, Mayo or Sligo and 12c down here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,932 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Embrace the light. Clocks changing in 5 days. Lovely bright evenings in store.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    If the cloud would shift.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Same in Leinster when we get an east wind late April or early May, it could be 12C-15C in Leinster and 23C in Galway/Shannon.

    Getting back to the models and it doesn't look like there is a single dry day up to 384 hours on the GFS, just low pressure after low pressure.

    Plenty of showers this weekend and fairly windy at times and feeling cool.

    turns milder from Monday but no shortage of wind and rain.

    Continues wet and unsettled into next weekend.

    We finish up with a dartboard low right over Ireland delivering plenty of wind and rain.

    So the unsettled theme continues right into the first week of April and possibly beyond. No sign of the Azores high or any other high pressure making a move any time soon.

    As we move into April we have a warming trend but a very unsettled and progressively wet signal throughout.

    Could be the middle or end of April before we can start thinking about dryer weather.

    Potential for huge rainfall totals and flooding particularly in western areas, but all parts of the country will be wet or very wet with rainfall well above average over the next 2 weeks.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,242 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Ya seems very wet this month but sure better the wet months being in March and April than June and July.

    109mm of rain here so far in March. Wonder how near 200mm we will reach. Joanne Donnelly said the weather will be wet or showery for the foreseeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,991 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Gusting 77 km here in Galway never saw so much heavy rain as today non stop from 10am until around 9pm



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS pub run showing signs of things settling down and warming up well into FI, could be a warm outlier.

    Temperatures getting close to 20C.

    Would love it this verified but probably very unlikely.

    update: it is a very warm outlier, almost on it's own but we do have a fairly prolonged warmer than average temperature trend overall into April.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    If only this was two months ago:). I will get my coat, or maybe not.



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