Russia - threadbanned users in OP

If Putin wins, there wont be any Ukrainians, Men, Women or Children left alive. Because that's his plan for Ukraine, and if he succeeds, what's his next plan? Poland, East Germany? Baltic States?? One thing is for sure, he will continue to make trouble for the west, and not only the west, but worldwide. Putin has to be stopped dead in his tracks once and for all, no matter how high the price. Failure to do so now will mean an even higher price in future. This is an inescapable fact.

Of course not, you're getting them at the morning briefing along with the talking points. How's the gates? Did they do a good job fitting them back on? Is the place warm or are you still having problems sourcing heating oil?

Sure Mario, now just tell Putin to get his army out of Ukraine, and the bloodletting can stop immediately, then all the time in the world to discuss the future. No problem!!! Slava Ukraini

It's not a case of 10 AA systems are better than 1 F16.

It doesn't have to be this or that.

By the same logic, 10 AA systems AND and F16 is better.

F16's or any similar western jet is another method to shoot down an Iranian drone, another method to shoot down a cruise missiles. Another platform to launch HARM missiles, another platform to launch glide bombs (if/when) they get them. If they got Rafale's, a launch platform for storm shadow missiles.

Any western jet would be use at stand off range, nobody is thinking they will be used over Russian occupied land on a bombing run or Ukraine could achieve air superiority.

Another elephant in your room is that Russia doesn’t adhere to pacts/agreements.

So add that to the fact that the aggressor has no intention of peace.

So please tell how negotiations would work?

So because you say that I've raised points that others have made, to you that means that I (and I assume any others who don't just blindly spew out what they've heard on Sky news) are Russian agents? In your mind is it not possible for someone to hold a different view on any subject without being in the employ of another states security apparatus? Should I suspect you of being in the SBU?

In my world of pink fluffy clouds etc peace is most likely to be brought about by negotiations. By refusing to discuss how to end the war the only option left seems for both side to keep killing eachother, something I'd like to see avoided. What suggestions do you have for getting this war to end with as few casualties as possible?

Finally Belgium is waking up a bit, the article is paywalled, but to steal a comment:

"Details of Belgium's February military aid package to Ukraine:

• 42 x IVECO LMV Lynx trucks - €609.000 (38 more in August)

• 15 x AMRAAM - €37.445.398

• 162 x RGW-90 anti-tank/anti-bunker rockets - €1.102.734

• 1260 x LAW anti-tank rockets - €3.666.663

FN Herstal will deliver (machine)guns, ammunition and accessories for a total of €49.000.000

• 150 VOLVO N10 trucks (to be sent in March)

TOTAL: +/- €92.000.000"

At least it's something.

That's entirely up to you. If you did a bit of research you might come to a different conclusion but you are free to believe whatever you want.

No, have a read back the thread. People pushing for peace under Russian terms are generally Russian supporters they can’t seem to openly admit that they are secretly cheering for child/adult raping, kidnapping, terrorising, murdering, theiving bollox’s. It’s what it really comes down to. Peace now has no benefits when Russia will rip up any agreement and come back at a later date to repeat their antics. Peace can’t work when Russia does not want peace. Even if your intentions are true, logical thought process should kick in and see it at it is, without I and others having to point it out to you.

My suggestion to end the war is for Putin to get his army out of Ukraine. The war could be over today if he did that. No one bar the Russians want bloodshed, and no one can stop it right now except them.

I never said Russia isn't the aggressor, that it didn't invade another country. Ideally this would never have happened.

Quote from Golda Meir " You cannot negotiate with people who are trying to kill you". Very true, and in this case, very apt!

I have no idea of what his future plans are, whether he only wants Crimea and the Donbass, the whole of Ukraine, or to invade the whole of Europe. I'd imagine it's the first option but you'd really have to ask him yourself. And I agree, this war needs to end. I would prefer it to end with as few casualties as possible, hence why I would like negotiations ASAP.

The modern idea of combined arms like in the Gulf doesn't really work here, because aircraft cannot operate effectively. How are aircraft supposed to carpet bomb, precision bomb, how are helicopters supposed to get close enough to actually attack ground targets given the huge prevalence of AA and MANPADs in this conflict?