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28-01-2023 4:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120169932#Comment_120169932

Like i mentioned before,dogfights happens seldom with AESA radars,datalinks and beyond visual range missiles these day.

But f16 makes up for it using helmet mounted display,for better situational awareness,and high off boresight missiles like aim 9x if they should end up in one

junkyarddog · 28-01-2023 5:00pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBUw5YKUG50

solovyov ranting,wearing his army green with his Nazi Z symbol too.

You really couldn't make this sh1t up!

cnocbui · 28-01-2023 5:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120170036#Comment_120170036

The Orcs seem to have a different definition of 'Nazi', which has lead to misunderstanding. To them it appears to have been corrupted and generalised to mean anyone 'opposed to our expansionist aims and the violence we engage in to achieve them'. I'm not even sure it's not just a synonym for 'enemy', now. They have comprehensively perverted and denatured the word.

Discodog · 28-01-2023 5:41pm

I don't get the dogfight talk. One of the points, in the podcast, is that the Russian airforce is very wary of flying over Ukraine.

Gatling · 28-01-2023 5:53pm

@Larbre34 They aren't great for dogfighting, but its not like Russia has fleets of serviceable air-superiority fighters and pilots to fly them, so it won't be a big issue.

They aren't great for dogfighting,it's was primarily designed to be a dogfighter,it fast, highly menuverable,and highly unstable,

Since when are they not great dog fighters

Gatling · 28-01-2023 5:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120170137#Comment_120170137

From what we seen of Russian aircraft over ukraine they haven't been exactly lighting up the skies with their skills in aerial combat.

For the last few years people have been telling anyone who will listen that Russian aircraft are superior because they have a cobra menuver button and trust vectoring so they can hit the breaks and the other aircraft will over shoot ala top gun 1986 and get the kill .

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that

Discodog · 28-01-2023 6:50pm

Given their superior garmin & gaffer tape navigation they probably can't find Ukraine

jmreire · 28-01-2023 6:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120170110#Comment_120170110

For Russians in general, but especially the older generations, the word NAZI is associated with evil murderous behavior, so Putin's propaganda department is playing this angle now for all it's worth. The fact that the behavior and symbols of the present Russian Army mirror the behavior of the hated Nazi's does no seem to register with the ordinary Russians. And yes, now its transferred to each and every one perceived as being the enemy. The whole world has fallen to Nazism, except the motherland, Russia

Larbre34 · 28-01-2023 7:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120170170#Comment_120170170

Since the fighter planes of the rest of the World moved on.

Yes, when designed 50 odd years ago, the F-16 was a capable enough dogfighter, but it can't match Gen 4/4.5 aircraft in really any facet; acceleration, top speed, manoeuvrability, range/endurance on station, payload - the lot.

Its a single engined plane in a twin engined world and by far the least capable fighter still in American service.

In a straight fight, a Squadron of Mig-29s or Su-35s would make absolute mincemeat of a Squadron of F-16s and remember, any planes donated to Ukraine would be reactivated C/D variants at best.

However, a straight fight is not what we are looking at. Ukraine need a simple multirole fighter/bomber and so the 'jack of all trades, master of none' that is the F-16, is ideal.

28-01-2023 7:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120169969#Comment_120169969

For me, the only question regarding F-16's to Ukraine is when, how many, and from which nations. I think it's inevitable they will receive them.

I'd like to see more pressure put on to give them ATACMS, it seem's to have slipped slightly in the tank's, IFV's and F-16 talk - all of which are extremely valuable.

Larbre34 · 28-01-2023 8:13pm

Various UK media have it today that active discussions are underway to fast-track the supply of long range missile artillery systems and aircraft, to complement the advanced fixed air defence systems and ensure any new Russian offensive is frustrated from the off.

Then when the heavy armour comes into play it will spearhead the counter-offensive and retaking of territory, protected above and behind by the previously delivered systems.

Gatling · 28-01-2023 8:14pm

@Larbre34 In a straight fight, a Squadron of Mig-29s or Su-35s would make absolute mincemeat of a Squadron of F-16s and remember, any planes donated to Ukraine would be reactivated C/D variants at best.

In a straight fight 12 f16s Vs 12 mig 29s not a hope the viper's are losing that battle,the mig 29 has horrible visibility and it can't hang in continuous high G menuvers unlike the F16 which can make 9G turns all day and has great all around visibilities from it's high bubble canopy,

The Su35 would be superior to the F16 but I still don't see it being a complete walkover for the Russian aircraft , while one might have better capabilities it would still come down to the best trained pilots on the day ,the Americans have been training and flying with and against mig 29s and su30 variants for years so they would have an edge vs Russian pilots who haven't been in American aircraft or flown extensively against them in exercises or combat,

For years Russian aircraft weren't designed to dog fight, they were point defense systems take off ,fly to a specific altitude launch missles and turn around and fly home , they fly a completely different doctrine,

Where America and Nato can fly basic combat patrols to massive 100+ aircraft combined missions against multiple target's

zv2 · 28-01-2023 8:20pm

Pavel Otdelnov, Russian artist, might be telling you something about Russia - Pavel Otdelnov site (click on 'Works'. 'Russian nowhere' is interesting)

Gatling · 28-01-2023 8:23pm

New president of Czechia aka Czech republic Petr Pavel.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1619351191506546694?s=20&t=NIvCst9217H-m83xHwQiww

20Wheel · 28-01-2023 9:01pm

The recent crackdown on corruption in Ukraine brought this to mind.

European Union Advisory Mission Ukraine (EUAM Ukraine) is a civilian Common Security & Defence Policy (CSDP) mission of the European Union.[1] It aims to assist Ukrainian authorities to reform civilian security sector. It provides strategic advice and practical support to make Ukrainian civilian security sector more effective, efficient, transparent and enjoying public trust. EUAM Ukraine works with a number of law enforcement and rule of law institutions of Ukraine, and it formally began operation on 1 December 2014, following Ukrainian Government's request.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7-D-M1bfhA

joseywhales · 28-01-2023 10:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120170759#Comment_120170759

Its great to see this kind of fore thought. Winning a war is one thing but building back up the nation is a huge task.

28-01-2023 10:53pm

A very interesting documentary about how the Kremlin has been pulling the strings behind separatist movements and the establishment of pseudo-republics in the territories of Moldova, Georgia, and Ukraine.

The deplovment of volunteer Cossacks and regular Russian army on the territory of an independent country, and the excuse of protecting ethnic Russians from supposed genocide is far more than just about the LPR and DPR in Ukraine. These tricks have been extensively used by Russia in the last several decades, their application intensified during the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

https://youtu.be/K9yrzM6WrQw

Gatling · 28-01-2023 11:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120171297#Comment_120171297

They already tried it a few years ago in Moldova they made announcements saying the Moldovan banks had collapsed and the government was heading that way , hoping to cause a run on the banks and start protests against the government,

But the Moldovans didn't buy it , instead Moldovans surrounded Russian bases in transiteria to prevent troops leaving to take to the streets

Strazdas · 28-01-2023 11:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120170036#Comment_120170036

I watched an interesting 30 minute video on YouTube last night made by a Russian guy about Solovyov. He's an absolute spoofer of course who doesn't believe in anything and who made his millions through dodgy and corrupt links with Putin. He'll say whatever the regime pays him to say.

28-01-2023 11:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120171337#Comment_120171337

They will try again,untill they are stopped,just like in Ukraine,if not another russian invasion

Just out of Kremlins playbook,the socalled hybrid warfare or Gerasimovs doctrine

The similarites are the same with all of russias neigbours that have a russian speaking population,destabilise with disinformation and russian troops will give them a helping hand.

storker · 29-01-2023 12:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120170036#Comment_120170036

"We aren't banging Washington..."

deirdremf · 29-01-2023 1:15am

The most recent news regarding the war is that Germany has agreed to release Leopard tanks, and the US will supply Abrams tanks.

This interesting development has overshadowed other, perhaps more important, news - a new report from the Rand Corporation, which is one of the USA's more important think tanks. Rand has provided the Pentagon with policy advice for decades. In 2019, they provided a blueprint for “overextending and unbalancing” Russia that included economic sanctions, sending weapons to Ukraine, promoting uprisings in Central Asia and more.

Now, this new report says that a long war in Ukraine is not in the US interest.

Some of the more interesting points from the report:

"continued fighting ... does not serve Washington’s best interests"

US interests “often align with but are not synonymous with Ukrainian interests.”

The price of ... “keeping the Ukrainian state economically solvent will only multiply over time.”

"NATO’s military aid to Ukraine ... could also become unsustainable” and Russia may “reverse Ukrainian battlefield gains”.

The conflict “absorbs senior policymakers’ time and US military resources” distracting Washington from other global priorities, such as China, while pushing Moscow closer to Beijing.

It describes Zelensky’s vision of victory, in which Ukraine would recover all the territory already lost and force Russia to submit to war crimes trials and reparations, as “optimistic and improbable.”

Moscow, “perceives this war to be near existential” and has signaled “a high level of resolve,” the authors caution, including the possible use of nuclear weapons if it feels threatened.

At the same time, "prospects for a negotiated peace are poor in the near term”

The US could “condition future military aid on a Ukrainian commitment to negotiations,” while giving Kiiv security commitments, but “not as binding as US mutual defense treaties” or NATO membership, the report suggested. Washington should also give Moscow written assurances regarding Ukraine’s neutrality and set “conditions for sanctions relief.”

Interesting times ahead indeed if this is the most recent policy advice Biden has received.

Dufflecoat Fanny · 29-01-2023 1:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120169346#Comment_120169346

The A-10 is the modern day version on the junkers dive bombers that instilled terror in the enemy. Imagine them raking the positions all around you knowing the Brrrrrrrt is coming for you next

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvIJvPj_pjE