Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Wibbs · 27-01-2023 11:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163218#Comment_120163218

I'm still not getting this hard on for fighters. How do you achieve air superiority? If you're the US you have the sheer numbers and sophistication and integration of their forces including their air force to do it. Neither side in this conflict has that, nor will get that.

What has happened is Ukrainian airspace is denied to Russian overflights by their AA batteries. AA that's capable of taking out faster, smaller, running lower Russian missiles. Russian aircraft would be a turkey shoot. And vice versa. If Ukraine got 100 F-16's in the morning(one of the least useful platforms practicalities wise) they still couldn't risk over flying Russian held airspace because of their AA defences. Russia for her part relies on bombers launching missiles at ground targets from outside Ukrainian air defences, while Russian Mig-31's fly outside the same air defences at very high altitudes and speeds lobbing AA missiles at anything that pops up on their radars(mostly getting mission kills as Ukrainian jets see them coming and leg it).

Whatever about the very early days when both sides aircraft were overflying the other's airspace and lots of vids and pics of downed aircraft were seen, things have changed radically. What we're seeing now are helicopters and ground attack fixed wing kit being seen and/or taken down along the front. It's not the messy free for all it once was where oh how we had the craic with Ukrainian tractors driving off with Russian tanks. This is a dug in war, where both sides have adapted to each other.

Ten AA systems are worth far more than one F-16 and far cheaper, far easier to maintain, far easier to train on and far easier to move around and deny far more of the ability of Russian air systems, aircraft and missiles to operate. F-16's are great for America, air shows to impress the public and lads who build Airfix kits as a hobby. In Ukraine today? Not so much.

Francie Barrett · 27-01-2023 11:30AM

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1618826252345032704

It looks like the Russians want to take Vuhledar at all costs.

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 11:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163585#Comment_120163585

I'm not sure that the Kremlin really cares enough about what is being discussed on an Irish social media website to bother wasting resources on it.

What is it in your mind that makes me a Kremlin agent/supporter? What exactly have I said? Everyone on here seems to take issue with me saying that the war should stop as soon as possible and that negotiations are probably the best way to secure peace. Is wanting peace something that only a Kremljn agent would want? If you think its true that the Kremlin wants peace and Nato wants war than maybe you wanna have a think about whether who you support really is the "good guy" in this situation.

Cab someone not hold a different position to you without them being an agent of a foreign state? Seems like you've been well and truly brainwashed, bet you bought into the whole "ghost of Kiev" BS didn't you!

I'll state it here, I'm not pro Russia or pro Ukraine. What is happening there is a tragedy. I want peace and think that will only happen by one of two methods: first if one side annihilated the other, the second is negotiations. I would prefer negotiations. If you can see a third way to secure peace and end this war, by all means post it and it might change my mind.

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 11:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163632#Comment_120163632

Yeah meant conscription, autocorrect did a number on me there!

Podge_irl · 27-01-2023 11:40AM

Negotiations over what exactly?

Wibbs · 27-01-2023 11:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163810#Comment_120163810

And handily, unlike Abrams, Leopards, etc, uses the same ammo and most of the spares that Ukrainians logistics, maintenance and crews have, use and know about.

timmyntc · 27-01-2023 11:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164254#Comment_120164254

Fighter jets are great for force projection using US aircraft carriers halfway across the world, but in a contested airspace with huge amounts of AA batteries and the very high prevalence of MANPADs its a different story.

Also if Ukraine were given fighter jets, whats to stop NATO from supplying pilots too? Sure you'd only ever find out the pilots weren't Ukrainian if they crashland in enemy territory

Fighting Tao · 27-01-2023 11:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164291#Comment_120164291

Maybe because you sing from the exact same hymn sheet as so many others before you.

In your world of pink fluffy clouds and unicorns, how can negotiations occur when the aggressor, you know the one who rapes, kidnaps, murders, terrorises children, women and men wants to continue doing so?

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 11:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163708#Comment_120163708

What did I state that's a lie? The statements may not suit your personal beliefs but they are true. Does no one here actually pay any attention to what is going on over there, is a just reading the headlines and never looking deeper? Ffs several of the things I've mentioned have even been shown on the BBC, its not like I'm saying you should watch RT 24 hours a day. If you want to, try to prove if anything I've said is a lie. But I bet doing the smallest amount of research on too much for you, just belive the headlines. I'll throw you a bone, the Ukrainian Defense minister who stated that Ukraine is a "defacto Nato member" is named Oleksii Reznikov. Look him up and you'll find some interesting interviews he has given. Though honestly, even without anyone admitted this is a Nato vs Russia war surely you can see that with your own eyes?

paul71 · 27-01-2023 11:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164348#Comment_120164348

You stated Ukraine is pulling men of the streets at gunpoint to serve in the army. I stand by my statement that that is a direct lie.

dennis72 · 27-01-2023 11:47AM

To all that reside/supporters at Orwell Rd embassy go home...

Mr Nobody's war of personal gravitation is over

Why he isn't shot 120k dead

Tanks to allies continued unity

Francie Barrett · 27-01-2023 11:48AM

https://t.me/vert_i_call/8314

I'm reporting from Bakhmut.

It is already clear that the main target of the faggots is Konstakha. They got close to the road until we let them get closer, but the faggots dug in behind Klishchiyivka, towards the road. They are trying to push us back with the heavy weapons and fly into Konstakha itself. The situation is difficult south of Bakhmut, but we are holding it back to the north, Zabakhmutka is fine. As I see it, the main forces have been taken to blockade the city in order to try to launch a massive assault later.

The only threat to Konstakha now is from Arta, and it depends on Vuhledar. If they hold it there, we will not let them approach the city here either. The main thing is not to be squeezed from both sides.

We are at war, but what else is there to do?

Sleepy · 27-01-2023 11:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164291#Comment_120164291

Russia could pull back to their own internationally recognised borders, hand over Putin and his senior officials to the Hague to be tried for war crimes and begin negotiations with Ukraine over repartitions.

Until they're ready to do that, the most acceptable path forward is to provide Ukraine with everything it needs to slaughter the invaders and drive them back to the aforementioned internationally recognised borders.

There's no "both sides" to this conflict. An imperialistic, mafia-run state has invaded it's neighbour and raped, tortured and murdered civilians . This is as clear a case of "goodies vs baddies" as you'll get outside of a children's cartoon.

Bass Reeves · 27-01-2023 11:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164152#Comment_120164152

Winter will always slow down a war. Up until the 20th century very few wars continued throughout a winter. In Ukraine at present both sides are dug in and mobility is denied due to the weather.

However when you look at late last summer when they had mobility the UA was really pushing and hitting the Russians hard

I expect this to happen again from April on. I think the armoured capability that UA is now getting will allow it to break through fixed Russian positions. The country is too vast you would need a Maginot line type defence for Russia to hold.

Now I may be wrong. Maybe Russia will find enough tanks, artillery, missiles troops and ammunition to hold and counterattack. Maybe the Iranian zones will came back into play. However I think there technology is decades behind what the UA is now getting.

The Bradley's are well capable of taking on the best of the Russian tanks if they have any left, the MBT's now arriving will wipe out anything within there range before they can get in range.

In demographic's ya Russia has a serious issue even if they win they lose.

Curious_Case · 27-01-2023 11:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164348#Comment_120164348

Of course it's a NATO/Russia proxy but it wouldn't be anything if Russia hadn't invaded

Origin of supplied weapons doesn't change the fact that the aggressor is the aggressor and the victim is the victim

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 12:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163782#Comment_120163782

Both sides have lost huge numbers of men and will continue to hntil the war ends, which is why I say it is best for peace to prevail, something that seems to be a controversial opinion on here.

Bitcoin · 27-01-2023 12:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164370#Comment_120164370

I think we have moved far beyond the notion that the orcs simply need to withdraw back to their own borders.

Demilitarised zone around Ukraine (on orc soil)
Orc energy reserves to be placed under the control of Ukraine until their country is rebuilt
Dissolution of the illegitimate terrorist state that is known as the "Russian Federation"

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 12:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163822#Comment_120163822

I'm very aware of the difference, which I why I put KIA in brackets in case anyone thought I was referring to those WIA as part of the numbers. And I'm not the slightest bit worried if you or anyone else takes me seriously or not, especially given how little most on here seem to have researched the war going on.

Back to the numbers, they aren't my invention, these are numbers that have publicly stated by some Western officials.

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 12:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163869#Comment_120163869

You state that like it's a good thing? Why is the annihilation of Russia and its citizens appealing to you? Peace has got to be the best solution for all, don't you agree?

Bitcoin · 27-01-2023 12:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164433#Comment_120164433

Both sides 🤣

There is only one side losing 1000's a day throwing men at mindless human wave assaults.

jmreire · 27-01-2023 12:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163449#Comment_120163449

If Putin wins, there wont be any Ukrainians, Men, Women or Children left alive. Because that's his plan for Ukraine, and if he succeeds, what's his next plan? Poland, East Germany? Baltic States?? One thing is for sure, he will continue to make trouble for the west, and not only the west, but worldwide. Putin has to be stopped dead in his tracks once and for all, no matter how high the price. Failure to do so now will mean an even higher price in future. This is an inescapable fact.

27-01-2023 12:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164326#Comment_120164326

exactly and its lighter too,better suited for bridges and mud

Cordell · 27-01-2023 12:09PM

It's not my job to spend my time looking up articles for people on here

Of course not, you're getting them at the morning briefing along with the talking points. How's the gates? Did they do a good job fitting them back on? Is the place warm or are you still having problems sourcing heating oil?

Bitcoin · 27-01-2023 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164348#Comment_120164348

Unsubstantiated lie after lie.

All putinbots know are lies.

27-01-2023 12:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164433#Comment_120164433

Sorry to dissapoint you but Russia have lost more than Ukraine,because wagner group, the seperatists DPR/LNR and kadyrovites are not part of the russian regular army,and are not counted for.

And there will be peace when Russia is defeated or leave Ukraine for good

roosterman71 · 27-01-2023 12:13PM

@Itsame Mario you've come to the wrong rodeo spouting stuff without links to back them up. Read through this thread. It's requested time and time again and it prevents commentators on both sides from filling the place with spurious nonsense. If you have facts and figures, throw up the link. You obviously have read it somewhere then copying in the link and giving your analysis, no matter what side of the fence yer on is more than welcome. Nor is it acceptable to state something, and then when asked for links as backup to tell the requester to go search for themselves. Not on and not how the thread operates. Get on board or ya will be thrown over it.

jmreire · 27-01-2023 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163494#Comment_120163494

Sure Mario, now just tell Putin to get his army out of Ukraine, and the bloodletting can stop immediately, then all the time in the world to discuss the future. No problem!!! Slava Ukraini

timmyntc · 27-01-2023 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164392#Comment_120164392

big problem with maneuver warfare nowadays is that with loads of reconnaissance drones and satellite imagery, most troop and vehicle movements are known and expected, so its not easy to prep for an offensive without already giving your intentions away.

the mud doesnt help either, but its a combination of both that has led this to go less WW2 fast paced maneuver and more like WW1 trench warfare. Bakhmut is like another Verdun, and many other points along the contact line show similar characteristics - 2 sides heavily entrenched just shelling the sh*t out of each other from afar.

Wolf359f · 27-01-2023 12:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164254#Comment_120164254

It's not a case of 10 AA systems are better than 1 F16.

It doesn't have to be this or that.

By the same logic, 10 AA systems AND and F16 is better.

F16's or any similar western jet is another method to shoot down an Iranian drone, another method to shoot down a cruise missiles. Another platform to launch HARM missiles, another platform to launch glide bombs (if/when) they get them. If they got Rafale's, a launch platform for storm shadow missiles.

Any western jet would be use at stand off range, nobody is thinking they will be used over Russian occupied land on a bombing run or Ukraine could achieve air superiority.

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 12:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164041#Comment_120164041

If mind reading is your job you need to look for another profession. What I meant is what I said, that the citizens of either country, but especially Ukrainians, would be a lot better off if a peace declaration was signed. What that declaration would say I don't know. Maybe it would involve signing over Crimea or the Donbass to Russia, which would obviously and understandably upset a lot of Ukrainians, just as when Collins signed over the North to the British a lot of Irishmen were angry and what ensued is known to all on here. Yet Collins is repeatedly voted the most loved Irishman of all time and most people have a high regard for him.

Also I find your last statement to be quite racist. To imply that all Russians are stupid cowards, that intelligence is beyond their capabilities is disgusting. You should sit down and have a good think about what has led you to even think thoughts like that, let alone openly state them. Ffs after all the years of Irish being portrayed as idiots walking around with a pig under each arm you really should know better.

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