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Curious_Case

Something definitely afoot --

https://www.youtube.com/live/ywAIXixmGKs?feature=share

cnocbui

The center for the production of ammunition and UAVs is on fire.

📌The refinery is on fire.

📌The factory for the production of weapons is on fire.

📌Explosions at military bases in Hamadan and Keredzhi.

📌Explosions in some military units.

📌Strikes were carried out on missile and drone factories in seven different locations.

Insurgents and security forces have also been reported.

I approve of this list.

Call me Al

So Israeli drone attacks from a base of theirs in Azerbaijan.

And escalation will mean Russia will have to side with Iran against Israel.

Interesting conundrum for them.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172135#Comment_120172135

If true, a serious blow for Russia’s munitions supply. Would be delightful if the Iranians have neglected to build any redundancy for the plants that have been hit / destroyed.

Live by the drone, die by the drone! 🥳

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172301#Comment_120172301

Just like Russia,Iran isnt exactly known to make friends with their neigbours

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202301275085

https://mei.edu/publications/streets-border-irans-growing-paranoia-toward-azerbaijan

Francie Barrett

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1619622798716174336

This also cuts the important road between Bakhmut and Sieversk.

Gatling

Looks like a successful night for the Israeli F35s ....

Bet nobody saw that coming 🤣🤣🤣🤣

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120171761#Comment_120171761

The only one who thinks the rand corporation is important is the rand corporation.

But, while here, what are the peace terms you think Ukraine should agree to? Try and prove you're not shilling for russia.

The US is defanging russia at a bargain basement price, support is there until russia abandon Ukraine.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172526#Comment_120172526

Israel Has Extended The Range Of Its F-35s: Report

Reports in the Israeli media suggest that IAF F-35s have been enhanced to hit Iranian targets unrefueled and carry at least one new weapon.

Jun 9, 2022

The development has been announced together with the integration of a new, locally developed smart bomb for internal carriage in the F-35. These apparent upgrades to the Israeli Air Force’s long-range strike capabilities come as the Israeli leadership announces a harder line against Tehran’s nuclear program, while the air force conducts exercises widely thought to be dress rehearsals for potential raids against Iran.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/israel-has-extended-the-range-of-its-f-35s-report

Well that's the main idea of the F-35. ;-)

The whole fighter thing is so weird. Every single time they make a fighter, a huge effort is put into extending their range. The F-16 was alovely looking jet, now it's a fugly abomination.

All fighters are just basically small bombers these days and as soon as they come off a production line, someones trying to turn them into an F-111 or B-2

They should go back to the YF-23 design, add range and make it into a stealth F-111 which is what most really want in the first place.

Bitcoin

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1619340267139596288

russia is a terrorist state.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172135#Comment_120172135

Who could it be?

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172658#Comment_120172658

It was Israel. Netenyahu made an announcement about striking terrorists last night. It was supposedly aimed at internal unrest, but pull the other one.

⚡️Заявление Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu:

 "Tonight we have decided to attack the terrorist organisations. Our response will be strong, swift and precise. Whoever wants to hurt us, we will hurt them."

UPD❗️: This was said yesterday at a Cabinet meeting about terrorists and instigators of unrest inside Israel.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120171772#Comment_120171772

Pretty much. The A-10 copied a fair bit of the doctrine of the precision ground attack, anti tank, anti shipping, anti personnel JU87 Stuka and both were equally idolised by their own troops and hated by the enemy. In the development stages they even engaged with German ex Stuka pilots to get their input, as much because they'd actually faced mass waves of Russian infantry and tanks, which was what was expected if WW3 kicked off. Both the A-10 and contrary to WW2 propaganda the Stuka are/were extremely valuable military platforms and tactical assets in the ground attack role. Flying artillery in essence(and that's how the Germans regarded the JU87). They even strapped a pair of maahoossive guns to some Stuka's later in the war for anti tank, emplacement and shipping roles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMHTzzySe84

However both suffer from one major issue; they both need friendly uncontested control of the skies and/or fighter escorts to operate. The A-10 had this in Iraq and Afghanistan, but this would not be the case in Ukraine with AA missile systems and MIG31's at high altitudes and speeds outside of Ukrainian air defences throwing long range AA missiles around.

I suspect if we saw the A-10's in Ukraine it would be similar to Stuka's in the Battle of Britain. Great hope and a propaganda win, initial successes, but increasing losses would force them to pull back or withdraw.

Gatling

@Wibbs However both suffer from one major issue; they both need friendly uncontested control of the skies and/or fighter escorts to operate. The A-10 had this in Iraq and Afghanistan, but this would not be the case in Ukraine with AA missile systems and MIG31's at high altitudes and speeds outside of Ukrainian air defences throwing long range AA missiles around.,

Since when would mig 31s be inside Ukraine trying to intercept low flying A10s if they had them,it's not like ukraine don't have mig29s and su30 fighter jets to preform escort duties, so far the only action the mig31 has seen is launching cruise missiles in the Russians side of the blacksea,and the mig 31 isn't immune from anti aircraft missles,it can operate at just over mach 2 for literally short periods before it risks it's engines failing something that's not uncommon for previous hi speed high altitude Russian aircraft.

And we've seen the A10 in very contested air space over Iraq twice hundreds of millions and only 6 aircraft Lost and other's suffering heavy - light damage but most were repaired and returned to service.

Doing exactly what it was designed to do

Discodog

Tonight's episode of Warship BBC2 9pm looks interesting & involves our Russian friends.

On its way to the far Pacific, HMS Queen Elizabeth ventures into the eastern Mediterranean. Britain's biggest warship is exercising its rights of navigation in international waters, but almost immediately Russian warships are diverted from the Black Sea to intercept it, while. Russian fighter bombers are also scrambled from their base in Syria to buzz the British task force and a tense stand-off unfolds

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173084#Comment_120173084

It's fun to contemplate one of these warships going really slow and lofting a transparent balloon on a 2km wire coated in carborundum particles. Then take bets to see if the Orc fighter pilot doing the ultra low and unsafe fly-by can eject before his one winged plane spins into the sea.

Danzy

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/german-dithering-has-cost-ukrainian-lives/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/german-dithering-has-cost-ukrainian-lives/

Good articles on the race in the Ukraine and in Russia where Defense industries are ramping up.

While Ukraine need speed to take advantage of Russia's current low point, The Russians are throwing mass numbers in to wear down Ukrainian forces and buy time to train and replace more and dig in deep.

All a bit WW1, years of fighting for small movement, mass casualties and 2 broken States after it all. The worst outcome for all.

It also talks about the need for Western arms industries to ramp up as western stocks are getting low.

Dohnjoe

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https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1619441529600499712

Dohnjoe

In contrast to the Ukr side

https://twitter.com/berlin_bridge/status/1619406891536490496

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172650#Comment_120172650

What she reveals is shocking. Several of her friends i.e. children her own age, along with her grandfather, were killed in Mariupol in different incidents - this would suggest that civilian casualties in the city must have been very, very high.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173175#Comment_120173175

If they were even just badly organized they would have a lot more conquered.

Discodog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173084#Comment_120173084

Another series had a Russian Intelligence gathering ship getting too close to Faslane. The tone of the English captain was like telling off a child - the Russian ship moved away.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173243#Comment_120173243

We're not going to find out what the terrorist state did in Mariupol until the city is liberated. The suspicion must be though that many tens of thousands of civilians must have been killed when they were flattening the place.

Discodog

This is the reaction when a British warship got close to Crimea in 2018. I love the commander's comment that there are 17 of them but we have 48 missiles :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkKgVdAVgJs

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120168140#Comment_120168140

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167800#Comment_120167800

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167913#Comment_120167913

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167821#Comment_120167821

The Russian army is still present in Ukraine, is learning from it's mistakes, is adapting and retains personnel and equipment superiority over the Ukrainians. If that sounds like might is right, very often it is, whether we like it or not. War is incredibly wasteful of resources and peoples lives and while you might look on Russians tactics as stupid, brutal and excessively wasteful (they are, war tends to like that), it does seem the government retains significant support across the population of the Russian federation for the time being and will not withdraw.

There is a lot of focus in this thread on the latest wonder weapon from NATO countries, being the solution, there is much less discussion about the current moral and damage to the Ukrainian army over the last 12 months. In the last 2 months, there have been an increased frequency of dead Ukrainian heros showing up in my feed, I'm using that as a proxy to indicate are taking significant casualties.

I doubt the Ukrainian army has enough manpower or resources to drive the Russians back across the border, after this year they will reach a point where they need manpower from NATO countries to finish the job. Right now, no one is interested in playing for stalemate. Wars of this scale take about 5 years to come to an end. I expect boots on the ground in 2024 and an overall conclusion by 2027. That also means that the countries within the EU (not just NATO) after this current phoney war will be forced to align and it won't be so easy for "Irish neutrality" to circumvent this.

What the conclusion to the war will be, I have no idea, I am working on the premise, that for the next 5 years we will be living with a war economy in Europe, as more resources are sent in that direction. Even though we don't do the direct fighting in Ireland, the key features of that economy are shortages and rationing and more of a move to command and control economy. You can see this is the shortages of energy and accommodation, and the political response will align if nothing else for expediency and needing a diversion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9xQf8LQgCU

Dohnjoe

Looks like they are prepping, including backdoor shenanigans to keep people from leaving

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1619637207136112641

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173206#Comment_120173206

In a televised address, Mariupol Mayor Vadym Boichenko said it's been difficult to calculate the exact number of casualties since the war began nearly 50 days ago, but his latest estimate was about 21,000 civilian deaths. 4/12/22 https://www.newsweek.com/mariupol-civilian-death-count-could-surpass-20000-mayer-says-1697435

Note, thats just 50 days in. Apply the principle of not wanting to scare the children and I think there are good reasons no one want's a realistic number for civillian deaths. As they say, the numbers can't be established until an area is recaptured and then there's the problem of the filtration camps and the 2 million that made it out of those and were kidnapped to Orcistan.

I think it will be found that filtration camps were death camps and a lot never left on two legs, or that there were two streams shipped to Russia, with one ending in graves or crematoria there where the attrocity could be effectively covered up. I wonder if US intelligence has been monitoring the heat output from known crematoria for any significant increase?

It's not a nice topic to think on. I said days into this conflict that a Ukrainian Orc expert at a university in Paris said that they had a comprehensive data set (names, addresses, phone numbers, social media ac's) of at least 2 million people in Ukraine who comprised the core of civil society, that they would be looking for and eliminating. And she was right. We had stories of Orcs knocking on doors in captured areas clutching lists and looking for specific people. It's what the filtration camps are partially for.

Dohnjoe

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Gatling

Scholz just can't help himself

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1619671616786673670?s=20&t=zgg6LGpa2Vt7WmFWB9Rt1A