To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

Can’t under what the big deal seems to be about wearing masks.

It's not about "want", it's a public health measure which works better when everyone is masked.

It's like saying people want to smoke, most people don't. We weren't "hell bent on forcing everyone to stop smoking" - just stop smoking indoors beside us.

Except you have been using the exact same phrasing since day 0, even when they were mandatory, phrasing it as 'forcing them on everyone'.

So you're contradicting your own posts if you are trying to pretend otherwise.

It's not about "forcing them on everyone" for the sake of it, as a power trip. It's being urged for motives of public health, and that is why mask mandates were in place. SO I entirely reject the premise of your post.

It is not debating in good faith, as it implies not merely are pro mask people wrong about the benefits of masks \ mask mandates, but motivated by bad motives.

Incorrect my friend, incorrect, all I asked is “What is the big deal about wearing a mask”.

Just asking dude……..any ideas?

Load of rubbish there …

Where is your evidence that “Global data “doesn’t support their use.

They are not uncomfortable if worn properly

Never saw a “toddler” sporting a set.

The advice from qualified medical people is that they are useful in preventing spread of airborne virus.

Some scones seem to think that they are better qualified than those medically qualified.

I would take the advice of the medically qualified that some scone roaring and shouting in a boozer.

Not suggesting that you fall into that category but that’s just me.

But that refutes none of the facts.

Your argument boils down to personal freedoms, which means your only avenue for argument is to show that a pandemic did not occur as health measures overrule personal freedoms during a pandemic.

Over to you.

As a trade union they were perfectly entitled to ask the Government for any measure they had the support of their members to ask for.

They didn't.... They " suggested " that they be used in crowded busy indoor environments which is not a mandate, it is a public health response to an infectious variant . And it is what is has been recommended by the WHO which I posted above and suggest you to read . A response that has been lacking given our recent doubling of hospital cases , especially given our present CMO had said that the situation would be reviewed if cases went up .

If any health union did not ask for these measures in this situation they would surely be called negligent. Who else should care about public health if our top public health people are more interested in their political careers than the health of the nation ? She is abdicating her responsibility.

Again , nobody" forcing " any poor beleaguered person on boards to wear a mask .

I don't espouse mandates, but agree with WHO , education and encouragement is the way forward .

Well at least you are confirming that it is the Government that will decide.

The unions, other interested parties and you have positions on the mask issue and can all try to influence the Government.

It's called civil society and that's how it works.

So what, the unions wanted one thing and you wanted something else.

It proves no such thing.

The unions have no power to make you do anything.

For god sake even that annoying Nbru lad O’Leary admitted on a radio interview that the vast majority of union members in Dublin bus were against wearing masks but Dermot still went along with Phil ni of the nurses wanting compulsory masks to distract from gross incompetence by doctors, nurses and the hse combined