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General Star Trek thread

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    That's a really important point you made: many of these TV aggregate scores are based off of "reviews" of a couple of episodes and manys show righted its growing pains by season's end. Same with user reviews: how many were from those who bailed after a ropey first couple of episodes, the impulsive 1/10 not fairly reflective?

    nine or twelve channels!!!

    I thought we were doing well in Monaghan with our 6 channels, getting the UK channels on-top of poxy 'aul RTE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    We just had Poverty One and Poverty Two



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    I had cable until I was 14 when we moved. Cable was RTE1, Network 2, BBC1, BBC2, UTV, Channel 4, Sky One, Sky News, MTV, QVC (switched to TV3 when that launched), Cartoon Network/TNT split 12 hours each, and TnaG as far as I remember.

    After moving it was the four Irish channels and the 5 UK ones from Wales. There was one Sky box eventually but that was my mostly what my parents wanted to watch during Prime time.

    If you lived in the Southeast and got UK tv from Wales TV3 and TG4 had terrible reception because the UHF aerial had to be pointed in the opposite direction to the Irish broadcast to receive the UK channels at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,071 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP



    <cough> When I were a lad, 😉 after walking barefoot, six miles uphill, each way, eating a bag of gravel for the dinner and then switching on the old wooden monster in the corner, waiting 3 minutes for the valves to warm up and waiting for this to disappear so I could watch the ONLY channel available ... RTE ... no 1, no 2, just RTE ... and yes, keeping on topic, I watched TOS in B&W, when RTE syndicated it in the early 70s, I think it was on around 4:30 or 5:00pm.

    As for Westward Cable, we had that thing split three ways in our house 😁. Who remembers the first movie that was encrypted on Sky Movies?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I do gotta laugh how this segue is kinda revealing how old this forum's most prominent users are 😂

    Whilst I wouldn't normally subscribe to the whole "the young have it so easy" kind of old-fogey perspective ... I do think there's something potentially unhealthy for childrens' development that generations now have instant gratification in so many aspects of media.

    Even at 2 years old, my little one knows that mum/dad's phone can show him videos of whales and airplanes; back in the day, kid's TV was between a very definitive set of hours, then that's it. At a pinch, VHS existed but it was still an opt-in process. Now? YouTube, streaming services and so on offer 24/7 entertainment for kids. I know there's the concept of "screentime" now with modern parenting, but at least Fadó Fadó in Ancient Ireland, after 5:30pm that was it - no more kid's TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    This type of forum is skewed older anyway the kids are all on that there Discord and the TikToks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Folks, go easy with the memories, I'm nostalgia-ing hard 😁



    Tiktoks.. back in mah day..


    Also, I mentioned these "Thick thocks" is it? to one of the youngers before Christmas and that also now seems to be an oldies thing with BeReal being the real deal..

    I was absolutely in the dark.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    In mah day, social media was Bebo, new music came from Myspace, and we were happy.

    Well.

    We weren't, it was shíte but still better than what Twitter has become.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    I dunno, the whole instant gratification thing has it's advantages. I remember one summer finding the VHS where I had Best of Both Worlds taped from RTE back in the day and it was like manna from heaven since there was a small collection of season 7, I think at that stage it had been years since I'd been able to watch it. I'd absolutely dread if Netflix had the ability to show you how much time you spent watching particular series/shows/episodes. I can think of several where I must have worn the tape out on Netflix servers!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    Something I wish Netrflix et al would do is allow you to put a few series into a special list and give you the option to play episodes in that list at random. Sometimes when I want to put an episode of Star Trek or something on in the background I spend way too much time picking the episode.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    At least back then if you had an argument because you hate Discovery it was only with your friends and you and you didn't get a million racist homophobes giving you the kind of back up you really didn't want.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh **** yes. I could **** on its merits, or lack there of, and

    1. Not be labelled a homophobic, racist, misogynist

    2. Not have actual homophobic, racist, misogynists fight "my" corner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Jesus no! I've been trying to getting around to cancelling Netflix, not having it playing constant Trek in the background all day. Divorces are expensive apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    So the big reveal is Beverly got a little hot under the collar on seeing Picard in his prime (Shinzon) and she jumped his bones during the E's refit and then disappeared to have a secret child, right?

    That would make Wesley's half brother a good 35 years younger than him which given the life expectancy in the Federation might not be all that uncommon but still weird.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I heard Picard has been left open so if Patrick Stewart wants to or is up to a 4th and 5th season it's possible.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    They're going to feck this up, aren't they?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Picard got fecked up 2 seasons ago; that ship has sailed 😂



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    Yeah but this is Picard TNG. Whole different beast to kill all over again.


    Is Beverly really going to pull a Carol Marcus on us? We know how Picard was feeling about family from Generations and the loss of René.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Need to send this lad off to have a chat with Patrick Stewart.




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Perhaps, but then if we're just talking TNG era? The latter-day movies also ensured Picard has been fecked up before the show came along 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    I saw that too and I really hope not. SNW I thought was great, as is LD, and I don't mind Prodigy that much (grand to stick on for 20 minutes). Picard should end after season 3, no more. I'm dreading season 3, because I doubt that Stewart is the only one hell bent on making sh*te of his character. And whenever they decide that Discovery needs to be taken out the back and put out of its misery the better. We're then left with three reasonably solid Trek shows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Don't you worry if Discovery is ever taken out back that will give Kurtzmann and yer one loads more time on their hands to ruin the shows you like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,283 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Yea, but don’t they do this every now and again? «Conversations» with Space Hitler and it being «In Development» sounds like code for them having done sweet f*ck all with the idea in all of these years.

    In comparison, since Season 2 of Discovery we went from Pike being a liked guest-captain to the series, to the idea of an Enterprise-centered spin off, to the first Season of said spin off delivered to us all. Section 31 has be brewing about as long, and still nothing more than «Conversations». My gut tells me they can’t even afford Yeoh anymore, so centering the project around her is ensuring that it never happens.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I’m still pretty certain that they’ll try to bring Discovery up to 7 Seasons and then close it. With Season 5 probably done, they just need to push out 2 more before claiming that they reached the traditional 7 season threshold of the TNG shows. It will be (sorta) interesting to see what they’ll attempt to push out as a plot for the final 2. Season 4 appeared to be a generic “Save the Galaxy” quest (didn’t watch, mostly an impression). Season 5 appears to be some kind of generic Fetch Quest. Not sure what else they can lean on now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Presumably, and they probably don't want to end both Picard and Discovery too close to each other without some new show lined up for Paramount +. Had a look there and the only thing I could find that would tempt me to sign up (aside from Trek) is Yellowjackets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    I can't believe I'm saying this but I don't think I am going to watch season 3.


    Like Phantom Menace, I really wanted this show to be good and was almost in denial for a while about how truly bad it is.

    And how much of a disservice they have done to the characters and the Next-Gen Universe in general.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    This was always where pop-culture was headed in hindsight: we're living in this Post Nostalgic period where if it's a popular IP, it's going to be dragged out of its crypt, labelled a "legacy sequel" while the greying leads come out of semi-retirement, and the bare minimum of effort put into a script. Into the "content" pipeline it goes on whatever Streaming Service it belongs. Safer than actually writing some risky, new material when you can just get those endorphins going with easy nostalgic kicks from those looking for nothing but reminders they were once young.

    That's basically how Disney+ is operating ATM with its "original programming": discounting the FX/Starz material, everything from them are these tedious sequels to nostalgic properties. And that's what Star Trek: Picard always was. Maybe it shouldn't be a surprise in retrospect when the show was placed in context of the times it was produced in; Season 2 was the laziest, most hackneyed piece of rubbish to come from a supposed professional studio in years.

    Wow, I sound angry lol. But I'm just so sick of this cultural nostalgic masturbation; time was all the 80s throwbacks was cute, fun even. Stranger Things Season 1 I will still go to bat for because it was the right mix of indulgent nostalgia and trope subversion. But it has just got out of control now.

    Of course, the irony in all this is that Trek's best show right now is ... a Captain Pike Prequel. But I"d stop short at calling it indulgent but rather, a show that knows it's a prequel and tries to do some mild subversion or twists on tropes we're familiar with. Literally in the case of Pike himself, in that he knows he's living in someone else's prologue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,251 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    In depth show on Section 31 would be like in depth on the Borg, or indepth on how sausages are made.

    It would ruin the whole thing.

    I cant help but imagine watching Borg or Section 31 members going about their day, like yer man Emmet from the Lego movie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    The problem with a Section 31 series is the current crop of writers made them moustache twirling comically evil ruining any possible chance of a Star Trek: Jack Ryan type series.


    I'm going to watch Picard season three for the same reason people slow down at car accidents, I want to see something mangled.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    LOl. That's 55mins long wow. Glad I did try to watch it all lol. That would 1 hour of my life I would not get back. Done it in 2mins lol.

    I dunno I think a Borg show woukd be better than a section 31 show but I suppose that is like saying having type 2 diabetes is better than type 1 diabetes. The point I am getting at is that neither is good but they are manageable.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,283 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Yeah after her Globe win, Michelle Yeoh will be in even more demand and she's been a busy woman lately as it is.

    So unless they had her signed to some sort of contract or agreement, it'll likely not happen, or they go a different direction and do it without her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,669 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    For those of us old enough to remember this is almost on point





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Jeez. I am so glad they did not choose that intro for TNG lol or it certainly would have been a big flop.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Season 3 is what killed what little hope I had left for the show improving. I haven't watched Season 4 because of it, and Season 5 will likely also go unwatched by me.

    If you do venture into Season 3, there is one brief moment near the beginning where we get a somewhat alright Trek episode for a while. Discovery crew, newly arrived in the future, need to work together to get their ship back into space. Micheal is missing for almost all of it, and although not the best episodes of Trek...it still felt somewhat Trek. It felt like what the show might have managed if it hadn't a massive wooden mill-stone around its neck.

    Speaking of the mill-stone, she re-appears at the end of the episode to negate all of the hard work the crew had done up to this point to use future tech to save them. Effectivly ruins the whole episode, and sets the tone for Season 3. Thereafter it becomes a sort of a mini-Voyager series where they try to find the New Federation. That was almost intesting too, until the writers lost patience and cheat-coded right up the Starfleet Command mid-season.

    One tip for Season 3 is that you can probably skip over conversion scenes involving Adria. They built the character on an interesting premise and then pissed it away. No plot-critical elements are covered in these scenes. I hadn't the patience for them and skipped them automatically.

    All of that said, I think the only advantage to seeing Season 3 is getting a feel for their take on the future Federation / Starfleet. It's not appealing at all and also part of why I don't watch more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    So I just bought seasons 1 and 2 of Lower Decks on Blu-Ray from Zavvi. Would have used Golden Discs but unfortunately season 2 is sold out at Golden Discs online and not availible in there brick and motor shops unfortunately :(

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I could JUST ABOUT take a DS9 version of Section 31. Sure, it was a bit campy and OTT but you could dial that back (Would take much) and you could have an interesting morally ambiguous take on the Federation (And that universe in general). I LOVED Jason Isaacs' captain at the start of Discovery. Thought he was GREAT and would watch THAT show all day. But we know what happened there. As soon as the mirror universe was mentioned I lost ALL interest in his character as he dialed it from 7 all the way up to 11.

    But a Disco version of S31? Pass. It would be camper than a Gay Pride Eurovision Music Festival. EVERYONE, regardless of gender, race, species, age, would have a moustache to twirl. As much as I love Michelle Yeoh, I do NOT want to see this. (Maybe her well-earned recent success will put a nail in this coffin)

    I'll watch this, simply to complete (In the same way I'll watch Disco. To complete - Hopefully soon). As we know, Paramount are masters of putting out very good trailers. Each season you look at the trailers and think "Hmm, OK, maybe they have shaken it up a bit. That looks fun". Then you realise that all the best bits in the trailer were taken from the first wham-bam-wallop episode of the season and then it's back to usual. I'm thinking of the last season of Disco in particular I think (I don't care enough to check). Saw the trailer: "Hey, Burnham is smiling and joking. And there is no pained monologue about hole and Family. (When are they gonna do a crossover with The Fast and The Furious?)". Then you realise. Nope. First episode. All shots within about 2 mins when she is drugged! Back to positions, folks.

    The trailer for the latest season didn't even do THAT!

    So, I'll watch Picard. I know I shouldn't. I know it will be poor. Frakes looks like he's having fun (Even more so in LD) but the rest will be... Look, it's hopefully the end. I'll let you know if it's worth it :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Annie Wersching, the Borg Queen from Picard has sadly passed away after a two year battle with cancer, aged 45.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 604 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    Also, her first acting role was in Star Trek Enterprise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I seen that alright and was wondering who she was. Awe that's sad. Only 45.


    May she

    Rest In Peace

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I see there was a novel written about what happened to the USS Hera the ship Geordies Mother was a Captain of that went missing. Did anyone read it? Was it any good?

    A good episode that one Season7 Episode 3 "Interface"

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,629 ✭✭✭corkie


    Haven't read it, but is that the novel your referring to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Yes I think that is it. It was released in 2011 I think. Must look out for it in Chapters next time I am up there.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I had wondered if USS Hera was another example of a starship mysteriously disappearing due to the Borg. A book about the Hera sounds interesting, should seek it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I don't think it's all about the Hera but it does feature in it a bit as far as I know.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    I don't need this. I don't need this. I don't need this.

    https://www.kotobukiya-collection.com/figures/11684/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Not you don’t….but you can buy one for me if you like….would be awesome of you :P



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Who is that and what is she in? Never heard of her.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Am I missing something? The figure is in silhouette?

    Always had a weird, hyper specific tolerance for Japanese aesthetic, be it anime, manga or whatnot. Love some Ghibli, but those ... I dunno cutsey-hot kinda manga types are like 🤷



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