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General Star Trek thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭Evade



    I think the drop off is too steep for too many series to be the reason, I don't think four times as many series were being released during Picard season two than during season one.

    Critical opinions and awards have been useless for over a decade by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,438 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think critics are good but obviously objective. Trick is to find one or two with a history of liking what you like rather than saying x amount of critics like something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Also, Captain Marvel was aggressively downvoted, before it was even released, by angry internet gentlemen píssy that a female was lead of a movie; to the extent RT had to change its code to stop it happening again.

    I think an arbitrary number to reduce a 13 episode series to yes/no is ultimately an idiotic way to consider a series, and as you say just used now as a weapon. Time was people talked about media - now it has to be ranked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Well I think there are two large problems with those aggregators (not defending Discovery BTW, those reviews may have been too generous....). Sites are not willing to pay for good quality reviewers, and replace them with writers who seem to be a hot second out of college, the AV club was a prime example of that one, while at the same time I've noticed that an awful lot of "reviewers" are only watching the first episode or two that they got on screener, and probably at double time, and then dumping it. So issues that arise in the initial episodes, which are later either addressed or adjusted, become the death knell of some shows that could actually work out in the long term. Almost the only shows that seem to now have reviews for each episode, despite quality, are the Marvel/Star Wars grouping, with a few exceptions here and there.

    I'm honestly at a loss at the moment trying to find a decent site or reviewer for upcoming 2023 stuff. Empire went to gack an awful long time ago, and I either don't trust or fundamentally disagree with both the more mainstream review sites, and the edgelords whose main stick is that absolutely everything is crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭Evade


    Trying to find something new to watch kind of makes me miss broadcast TV. Having only nine or twelve channels to choose from when I was younger meant I picked something and went with it which meant I watched and enjoyed some things, films especially, that I wouldn't have picked from the description alone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Didn't realise it was the 30th anniversary this year, now I'm beginning to feel my age! Would have been 30 years ago so that my dad arrived back from a work trip in the UK with a holographic Star Trek postcard of some weird space station I'd never heard of. Trek, on a station, Never! Was a couple of years before I actually got to see the show though, not sure if it ever came up on RTE so must have been when we got NTL around '95



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Might as well rewatch that Picard Sisko scene. "We met in battle"!

    Avery Brooks powering through with charisma here..

    Sisko vs Picard | Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - Emissary




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I had done a new run through early DS9 a short while back, and I suprise myself at how little credit I gave the show back in the day. For an opening episode of a Trek show, Emissary was magnificent.

    Especially this whole scene with Picard.

    Picard: Is everything all right Commander?

    Sisko: Sure, except you killed my wife you cyborg b*stard.

    Picard: Will this impead your duties?

    Sisko: You made me a single-parent and I'm still in greif.

    Picard: Well...that sounds like a you problem.


    The whole Wolf359 opening, and the way the battle haunts Sisko, are just excellent. How in the end he admits to The Prophets that he never really left Jennefer's side on the USS Saratoga, even years after the Battle just went to show how good the writing was going to be on this show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭Rawr


    NTL? "Cablelink" my friend :P

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    If you had Cablelink at the time, you also had Sky One. DS9 was screened there, as well as episodes of TNG (both new & repeats).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭Evade


    Early 90s Sky One was great for a Star Trek fan with TNG/TOS/DS9 every weekday at 1700 repeated at 2200, and yes I did watch it at both times.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,067 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Between school and then homework \ study, that 1700 episode was my oasis from the Leaving Cert slog :)

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭Evade


    I was in first class when I started watching it daily. Communion money for my own TV was a wise investment and my dad split the cable tv to my bedroom too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,438 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I forgot "spitting the cable" was a thing.

    We had Sky through Westward Cables in Limerick at the time.

    Speaking of splitting the cable. "The cable connecting Cork to the Comeragh Mountains was 100 km (60 mi) in total: the longest cable TV route ever built in Europe"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Yup, cablelink it was so, NTL must have been a later rebrand! I think for a while I was bouncing between Sky and the BBC watching episodes. As far as I recall the new ones were Sky, and I could watch older ones I missed on BBC, until Sy started doing the two Trek episodes back to back 4pm-6pm on weekdays



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭Evade


    Getting very off topic for Star Trek but did anyone else's cable do free Sky Movies weekends a few times a year? It was a great opportunity to fire up the long play VCRs and tape movies all weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭Rawr


    What I remember, Sky One was where you went for the new airings of Trek episodes, and BBC got stuff that was a couple seasons back. Similar to what we had for The Simpsons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭Rawr


    This is one innovation of Digital TV that I instantly disliked. Suddenly the splitter to my TV was pointless unless I had my own decoder, and in the case of the likes of Sky Digital, my own decoder card. I had missed the ability to just tune in the channels on any capable TV that was connected to the Co-ax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Now I wish I had thought of that…

    My first Trek movie collection comprised of an official VHS of First Contact, and the earlier Trek movies home-made on VHS by having the STOP and REC buttons ready on a *hair-trigger* at each ad-break whenever one of TOS movies would air. (To make a seemless ad-free recording…naturally) I think I managed to get the lot in the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭Evade


    I'm pretty sure I had all the Star Trek films up to First Contact taped from the TV too.


    I was a master of the VHS ad break. I used to confound my sisters by stopping the tape and then fast forwarding, because it was faster, and having the end of the bumper on when I pressed play again. I noticed they were exactly 4 minutes on Sky at the time and I was just watching the timer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    That's a really important point you made: many of these TV aggregate scores are based off of "reviews" of a couple of episodes and manys show righted its growing pains by season's end. Same with user reviews: how many were from those who bailed after a ropey first couple of episodes, the impulsive 1/10 not fairly reflective?

    nine or twelve channels!!!

    I thought we were doing well in Monaghan with our 6 channels, getting the UK channels on-top of poxy 'aul RTE.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,740 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    We just had Poverty One and Poverty Two



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭Evade


    I had cable until I was 14 when we moved. Cable was RTE1, Network 2, BBC1, BBC2, UTV, Channel 4, Sky One, Sky News, MTV, QVC (switched to TV3 when that launched), Cartoon Network/TNT split 12 hours each, and TnaG as far as I remember.

    After moving it was the four Irish channels and the 5 UK ones from Wales. There was one Sky box eventually but that was my mostly what my parents wanted to watch during Prime time.

    If you lived in the Southeast and got UK tv from Wales TV3 and TG4 had terrible reception because the UHF aerial had to be pointed in the opposite direction to the Irish broadcast to receive the UK channels at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP



    <cough> When I were a lad, 😉 after walking barefoot, six miles uphill, each way, eating a bag of gravel for the dinner and then switching on the old wooden monster in the corner, waiting 3 minutes for the valves to warm up and waiting for this to disappear so I could watch the ONLY channel available ... RTE ... no 1, no 2, just RTE ... and yes, keeping on topic, I watched TOS in B&W, when RTE syndicated it in the early 70s, I think it was on around 4:30 or 5:00pm.

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    As for Westward Cable, we had that thing split three ways in our house 😁. Who remembers the first movie that was encrypted on Sky Movies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I do gotta laugh how this segue is kinda revealing how old this forum's most prominent users are 😂

    Whilst I wouldn't normally subscribe to the whole "the young have it so easy" kind of old-fogey perspective ... I do think there's something potentially unhealthy for childrens' development that generations now have instant gratification in so many aspects of media.

    Even at 2 years old, my little one knows that mum/dad's phone can show him videos of whales and airplanes; back in the day, kid's TV was between a very definitive set of hours, then that's it. At a pinch, VHS existed but it was still an opt-in process. Now? YouTube, streaming services and so on offer 24/7 entertainment for kids. I know there's the concept of "screentime" now with modern parenting, but at least Fadó Fadó in Ancient Ireland, after 5:30pm that was it - no more kid's TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭Evade


    This type of forum is skewed older anyway the kids are all on that there Discord and the TikToks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Folks, go easy with the memories, I'm nostalgia-ing hard 😁



    Tiktoks.. back in mah day..


    Also, I mentioned these "Thick thocks" is it? to one of the youngers before Christmas and that also now seems to be an oldies thing with BeReal being the real deal..

    I was absolutely in the dark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    In mah day, social media was Bebo, new music came from Myspace, and we were happy.

    Well.

    We weren't, it was shíte but still better than what Twitter has become.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    I dunno, the whole instant gratification thing has it's advantages. I remember one summer finding the VHS where I had Best of Both Worlds taped from RTE back in the day and it was like manna from heaven since there was a small collection of season 7, I think at that stage it had been years since I'd been able to watch it. I'd absolutely dread if Netflix had the ability to show you how much time you spent watching particular series/shows/episodes. I can think of several where I must have worn the tape out on Netflix servers!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭Evade


    Something I wish Netrflix et al would do is allow you to put a few series into a special list and give you the option to play episodes in that list at random. Sometimes when I want to put an episode of Star Trek or something on in the background I spend way too much time picking the episode.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,438 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    At least back then if you had an argument because you hate Discovery it was only with your friends and you and you didn't get a million racist homophobes giving you the kind of back up you really didn't want.



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