What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

There must be some difference though in what yourself and Ginger used if he has gotten 19% pr silage.

There's no explanation coming bar suggestions from Ginger of the potential differences of applications between ye.

Is not the purpose of all this how to achieve similar or to console oneself that a trial got similar to yourself so that's all that can be achieved?

I'll throw a cat among the pigeons and suggest a difference could be boron. I had a reseed come back with 19% pr silage once and it had extra boron applied and a seaweed foliar. Cows didn't fancy it though.

Edit: solutions can also go off when made up. Seaweed powder I use is not recommended be made up and used later. It has to be used straight away. If you leave some in the sprayer and come back the next day and open the lid and stick your head in. You'd be knocked down with the smell of vinegar.

I'd say ye may contact each other privately.

Ye probably do know each other unbeknownst to ye.

Would it be helpful to post the price of all these magic potions you are all using. I met a friend after buying 20l of slurry additive in November. 300 euro. Made in Australia, ingredients are molasses, sugar and seaweed. So I got a drum of molasses for 8 euro, I had rotted seaweed gathered for next year vegetables. I threw the molasses and the seaweed in a barrel. I have put some of this diluted all over the tanks. What are the odds it will work. Or is there magic words or powder to be added

That’s a bad link there btw- also that pdf is the same name as the one they give out to compare your results to- the pdf will have your name in the title- I get agriking to do my samples so I’m used to the way the are presented

Ginger will you put up the chemical analysis of the powder you are using

Lower protein silage is actually better for the animal as high protein silage is mostly the result of over use and poor application timing of nitrogen

I can’t get my head around how so people are getting these high results when using foliar- all the international trials from around the world all result in lower p silage but much higher sugars and mineral results which I for one have encountered

theres lads comfusing people with magic powders and absolutely no data behind it or trail results to back up said data

There's a lot of unproven stuff posted about in this thread, much of it is probably nonsense.

Start with the simple things.

Correct pH, p's, k's, S

When reseeding use multiple species of grass (cocksfoot, Timothy, fescues etc. All the major seed companies run breeding programs for these grasses also). There's no need to even think about chicory or other exotic species.

Clover, you will know yourself whether red or white is something you can work in.

On its own foliar urea will be more efficient than spreading dry fert. Humic acid in the mix will make it a bit more efficient as it chelates with the urea, making it more stable.

Humic has proven benefits of its own and can have the same protective effect for P to stop it getting tied up in the soil.

No need to even think about boiling potatoes up, spreading seashells etc. None of them are proven and even those using those methods don't tend to have any control comparison and measurements are rare also.

What stocking rate would you be advocating for dairy stock on cocksfoot, timothy?

Bearing in mind there's other posters on this forum have experience of cows on such and have described them as "cardboard" grasses and stock lost condition on these.

(one's head would be spun around backwards on this thread).

this might be of benefit

Not a great trial to be honest, Primitive stuff just applying nitrogen only. It is proven fact from New Zealand that adding humic and fulvic in sufficient quantities will practically double the nitrogen use efficiency. I would also be adding molasses, liquid seaweed extract, trichoderma and microbes.

The trial included the use of humic/fulvic

https://www.walesfarmer.co.uk/news/18389153.welsh-trials-show-benefit-foliar-feeding/

Not to be confusing lads but the results from the trails show lower protein silages as a result of using foliar fert- this isn’t a problem and is actually more beneficial to the environment as less n losses- if you read the full trial results it clearly shows that in multi cut systems the timing between cuts dictates the protein % of the silage

why do you keep saying these trials are primitive? They are getting the same findings all around the globe which clearly shows that with lower n and the uses of humic/fulvic acids we can reduce n usage by 50%

Could the 4th cut have benefited from the natural event that is summer soil nitrogen mineralisation?

Could the more soil life that accrued from the treatments meant more soil nitrogen mineralisation when the event occurs.

Usually happens August - September.

That is possible because there is a obvious improvement in the soil texture. All those silages are of an outside block of land used for silage only.

To add on.

There's no need for an expensive sprayer. The bigger the better obviously. But trailed secondhand can be picked up reasonably enough. Depends though on you being first and everyone else not getting the same idea.

On the covers. If you've green at all it'll take it in. Obviously the more the better. But no where near 2000 covers bar for silage and even at that you'd be tramping grass.

No need for constant agitation either. That's the sales pitch for the new Zealand machine that it can spread liquid lime.

Myself I started without N while figuring it out then graduated to 4 units per acre getting at the end of the grazing season this year.

To really feck ye up I was using seaweed coated CAN at low rates before that 4 units started.

There's a technology that should be embraced by grassland farmers and pr urea thrown in the bin. And then that leads to calcified seaweed prills which have their place too as a kickstarter.