What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

I use this with urea

Only slight issue with foliar has been the much lower protein % of silage made- the dmd and sugars will be higher but p% lower

you will need to add feed grade urea to tmr to balance silage

Did you add ammonium sulphate to the mix?

Hardly a bag of keserite-.recommended rate is 0.5kg per acre

Kieserite is about 24% sulfur, similar to ammonium sulphate but also contains magnesium as opposed to nitrogen. "The proof of the pudding is in the eating" as they say.

Lads any chance of posting the silage results- all the Welsh show exactly the same results that I’m receiving

maybe ye aren’t cutting back on the n - I’m only using circa 40% of the normal applications

re keserite you mentioned a bag to the acre - this is hardly correct

It'll work alright. But then I'm coming from it years back and came up the way of N not being in the mix. Everything else was tried and adjusted before N went in the mix.

The only thing if you've no N in the mix and you stop spraying. Growth kind a stops. There's no reserve of N in the soil to keep powering on. But then you hear guys here say they have to keep spreading 20 units each round or growth stops dead. So ...??

On the silage ground I learned from the previous year of foliar. This year I applied 50 units roughly/acre of bag N for both cuts. 500 bales total on 42 acres overall. Not sure if it got a foliar 2nd cut may have without N in the mix.

I had the silage tested but no results back yet. Not sure it'd be much use to the discussion when bag went out.

Over all farm though it worked out 55 units an acre applied for the year. And that is my best result to date. And that's not buying silage like I did the previous year when I was short and still experimenting.

It's a bit pissy that I or anyone has to find this out the hard way and there's nobody ahead to tell how to put the pants on in the morning. But it is what it is. 🤷

A competition to spread more N?

I'm not sure how you got defensive over this KG. I never even responded to you.

Stick up your own Nitrogen usage this year so. Let's see if it's a model we should learn from.

I’d safely say that importers have forward bought sfa fertiliser at higher prices. Sure weren’t we told that they weren’t even making fertiliser because gas was too expensive, now they’re saying that there’s plenty of it out there but because they paid big money for it they think farmers should bend over again next year. They always have some bullcrap excuse for their price gouging. Tell farmers it’s shocking hard to get to soften them up to get ripped off. It’s a bit like the Bulgarian apartments during the boom, one price for the locals, one price for the Europeans and a special price for Paddy.

The price of gas has fallen 70% in the last four months, there’s no reason why fertiliser prices shouldn’t collapse from now on apart from the greedy price fixing cartels doing what they do best. The same nonsense is going on with the price of nuts and rations at the moment.

There's no "Foliar for Dummies" book available unfortunately.

Joel Williams' course in January will hopefully make things clearer, but it's a really technical scene.

Many of the guys above have arrived at where they are through trial an error, a really inquisitive nature, bravery and an understanding of chemistry.

It will test any agency to set up a template for the ordinary Joe..

However, as restrictions and costings change, maybe it's those who break this code will have the advantage in an ever more competitive world.

The day of using N as a cover up to technical inability or incapability is over.

Great minds and timing @alps

Teagasc going down that route, it's truly just ridiculous. Talking about making things worse, I have to say I have seen benefits of using liquid fert and liquid seaweed on trial fields this last number of years.

Some poachy heavy fields have been remarkable drier and have far better water holding capabilites since using liquid seaweed and slurry additives. All I can but it down too is extra length in the roots, extra worms and better soil aggregation allowing for more pore space hence leaving the field in far better condition during the winter months.

Delighted with this as far less footrot/lameness in the sheep due to better ground conditions. That's just my 2 cent, will be doing on more fields come spring and autumn again.

Who’s going wrong- I’m getting the exact same results as the extensive trials done over the course of 5 years in the uk- you keep going on about the powder you are using which is one of the ingredients in the mix that I buy???- why is it better when you use it???