DC cinematic universe general stuff

Checked his wiki filmography page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_Johnson_filmography

Had a lot more film and tv involvement than I was expecting.

As I went down the list the points of note I took after read your post were:

• probably the fast and furious films will be something seen / rewatched for a good while so he'll have those
• disney are likely to keep their films going for as long as they think they can make any money from them so Jungle Cruise will have that. Haven't seen it though so can't guess how long that would be
• Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle was the film that jumped out where I thought I remembered it as fun more than anything else so that's the one I'd say has a good chance. Not sure as to the lastability of it.

If you look at the way the rock has talked about his work over the last few years, he has been on the lookout to move from a starring feature role into production and having his own "media empire" situation. This is particularly obvious with the jumanji, jungle cruise, red notice, type stuff - the media campaigns were a lot about what "his team were bringing" rather than just his role. I think he was trying to pivot Black Adam into getting the role that James Gunn now has, and that hasn't worked.

A big part of the trouble is how Rock goes way too far with the promotion of his movies (and all his products like his energy drink, tequila, sportswear etc) that it's impossible to take any of it seriously now. As I said, he's more hype-man than actor.

Half of his promotion of Black Adam was centered around what his plans were for after Black Adam; how there'll be more of the Justice Society, how there'll be a showdown between Black Adam and Superman (even though Superman's return should have been a surprise), and how he and his producers had big plans for the future of the DCEU, and wanted to have a hand in helping to find their version of Kevin Feige.

You're not really selling a great movie if you're more concerned about trying to promise fans that good things are coming after the movie.

The Rock gone now.

Gunn laid the Smackdown on his Candy Ass.

Very little in the way of actual announcements have been made, even with regards to Ezra Miller, Gal Gadot, Zachary Levi and Jason Momoa. I think it's early next year when Gunn and Safran are going to announce their starting plans for what the new DCEU will be. Until then, with the exception of some like Cavill & The Rock, we know very little for sure.

Gunn seems to be another one who seems to want to placate the Snyder fans on social media by constantly posting on social media where I think he would be btter just being quiet and getting on with the job behind the scenes until after Aquaman 2 Shazam 2 & The Flash are released and done.

He seems a bit delicate when he replies to every Tom Dick and Harry on Twitter that say anything he perceives as slighty negative towards him.

Cavill was brought back before WB hired Gunn and Safran to run the DCEU. Cavill filmed his Black Adam cameo about 2 months before release, and publicly announced he was returning as Superman a week after the film came out (as that was the plan). But then a few weeks later WB brought in Gunn and Safran, and after about a month of discussing and planning what to do with the DCEU, they realised Cavill just didn't fit into their plans (as they want to go younger with Superman, and especially given the history of Cavill's Superman I'm guessing they want to just start again from the beginning).

So the blame doesn't lie with Gunn. Cavill shouldn't have been brought back until WB knew what they wanted to do with the films. You could also argue that The Rock shouldn't have pushed so hard to get Cavill to cameo in Black Adam which was more to boost The Rock's film and standing more than anything else.

They are really betting the house on getting perfect replacements for superman, wonderwoman , aquaman, and the flash. That is a tall order. Pattinson was a good replacement to Affleck but i think gadot, cavill and momoa will be hard acts to follow and the new actors already will have to win over an audience who may think the previous actors were treated badly.

I think they've said Pattinson's Batman will remain outside whatever Gunn & Safran are doing, as will Joker.

After Halo and the terrible Warcraft movie i have very little hope that Warhammer will be any good though im sure Cavill will make bank if he is producer. Pity he couldnt make Witcher work. If warhammer fails that will be a fair few bad tv/ movies he will have been in.

I thought the same, but then there have been a lot of rumours of Jason Momoa becoming Lobo going forward even though Aquaman 2 is coming out.

The only reasons I can think of are a) they're using Flash to breach the multiverse and therefore cause the reboot of the DCU so want to keep the same actor to maintain some sort of continuity between the previous films and new films, or b) if Miller has gotten his act together, WB may be worried they'll be accused of only getting him to address his mental health issues to help promote the Flash movie so it can do well, and then getting rid of him which could then risk his mental health and therefore will make WB look really bad and insensitive.

To be completely honest, based on his appearances so far he's not that great that anyone would really be clamouring for him to be kept on, not like Cavill. Maybe his performance and character is so great in his own film and that's why they're considering keeping him on, but even putting his personal issues to the side (which we really can't), he's been serviceable at best as The Flash so far and I doubt anyone would miss him if the role was recast.

Yeah I have to agree. Taking one second of that footage at the right angle in slow-motion could just be a quick infill shot in the middle of a longer more complex sequence.

I'd take that over Ezra Miller's style of running anyway.

And so the line up for the new DC U film and tv slate has been revelaed

So after saying how they don't want confusion by having multiple versions of the same character, it looks like we're going to have 2 versions of Batman. Though likely get Pattinson's sequel out of the way before bringing in the new one.

The only release dates mentioned yet are the new Superman and the next Pattinson Batman, both in 2025.

Then along with Viola Davis staying on as Waller, others may keep their roles.