DC cinematic universe general stuff

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120847341#Comment_120847341

If he keeps retaining actors in different roles, like what is suggested with Jason Momoa it will get very confusing. I think the multiverse is unpopular in both the mcu and dceu outside of anything spiderman related.

Brief_Lives

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120847215#Comment_120847215

i have forgotton both suicide squad movies... what was fillion doing and what happened to him?

He was TDK (The Detachable Kid) on the beach, with the first team.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120845070#Comment_120845070

I am too but I have been thinking that it could really only be minutes (if even much) of an appearance. For example, they are in a fight and overpowered, but Superman shows up to save the day.

It would help show there is more heroes and villains out there but not really take up too much time.

This news from Gal Gadot made me very happy at first but then very annoyed. Is this new DCU a reboot or not?

Penn

Am I the only one who doesn't really like Gadot as Wonder Woman? I enjoyed her appearance in BvS and even her first film, but more so for the character and story. As an actress, I don't really enjoy her performance most of the time (in other films too).

She was a decent pick for WW in the Snyderverse, but I was hoping she'd get the boot with the reboot. But looks like Gunn is keeping Momoa and now Gadot, Miller is probably a ? not just because of their history but the terrible performance of Flash in cinemas, Ray Fisher won't be back to WB any time soon so he's out, Affleck & Keaton are both likely out (and no indication that Clooney will be back), and Cavill (the one guy everyone really hoped they'd keep) is gone.

They really should have just wiped the slate clean. Even if that meant Momoa leaving (or let him play a different character), just start again from scratch.

Agent Coulson

So much for a clean break and fresh start from the Snyderverse then.

It will just muddy the waters even more now.

WB/DC is a mess.

Mr Crispy

Very odd decision. Either make a clean break or don't. But if you're going to retain some of the talent you've previously used, don't choose the worst actor of the lot! She's completely lacking in any sort of charisma.

She's a charisma vacuum. Her level was the FF franchise.

Cavill gets the sack and there's still potential for Miller like too???

GeneHunt

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/gal-gadot-wonder-woman-3-james-gunn-peter-safran-dc-films/

Now this story about Wonder Woman 3 just doesn't make any sense, because James Gunn had come out with his list of projects that was in or going into development, and Wonder Woman 3 wasn't part of that list. Another odd thing that happened in the last few days was Zack Synder posted a poster of Blue Beetle and mentioned he was going to see it with the kids.

With the Hollywood writers' strike in America continuing for a few weeks now and with no end in sight, and with fact the last few DC movies failing to hit the mark at the cinemas, I think David Zaslav or the whole board at Warner Bros Discovery (WBD) are putting pressure on Gunn to do something. Apparently David Zaslav is still good friends with Zack Synder so my guess that’s where the Blue Beetle post is coming from. Maybe WW3 is them trying to see if they can spin up some support for Blue Beetle before it hits the cinemas next week or maybe it’s something even bigger and they are trying to get the share price up before a sale!!!

With the rumours that Universal Studios was buying Warner Bros Discovery last year, and WBD has denied that's true. But there's no smoke without fire, so maybe it's true or maybe WBD are only selling DC Studios to Universal, because it was an interesting thing to do at the time, to make DC studios a separate entity to Warner Bros. Discovery. This would be great if true, imagine Christopher Nolan getting his hands on some more DC movies, even as an producer or executive producer or even better as a writer. 

ThePott

The DC reboot already sounds a mess. If all these rumours (and comments from those involved) end up true.

• They're rebooting Superman with a new younger actor. Even though most were fairly happy with Cavill, while also having a Supergirl movie.
• Having two Batmans one in universe and one not.
• Animated shows and movies tieing-in.
• Some more obscure properties being in the launch line-up when there's no Flash, Aquaman, etc. Be fine with this but dubious they can succeed.
• Recasting of actors who were in the DCEU in new roles (Jason Momoa?)
• Selective rebooting, Gal Gadot with a new Wonder Woman, in new continuity? Why?
• Allowing Peacemaker cause it's his show (I love that show for the record but adds to the inconsistency of the whole thing)

It needs to be a clean break or don't bother for me.

Slutmonkey57b

More likely ww3 has a script, of some description, therefore they're hoping the actor's strike won't last long and they can shoot some pile of crap to get something in the screens

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120932802#Comment_120932802

I've grown tired of her WW, probably because Gadot is a very ... limited actor who hasn't done much beyond the DC role, the actor and character have become a bit entwined. At first it was cute but it quickly wore the welcome out.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120935411#Comment_120935411

She had a long goodbye appearing in a number of the last few DC movies. Is Robbie finished with Harley Quinn? They rebooting Supergirl too? Seem to be very slow in who is being rebooted.

CastorTroy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120935393#Comment_120935393

Don't forget Joker 2

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120933024#Comment_120933024

Gadot doesnt get hired for her acting, her accent work is very dodgy.

She does however look fantastic on a poster/striking a pose.

Could and Should definitely be upgraded if the reboot is to actually improve the output.

Cotts72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120936393#Comment_120936393

I'm not against Gadot but would be interested in who people would suggest as a replacement

GeneHunt

The more I think about this story of Gal Gadot mentioning that she doing another Wonder Woman movie with James Gunn, the more I think Warner Bros Discovery / DC Studio are going to do the same thing they did to Henry Cavil last year (Remember when he came out last year before Black Adam saying he's back as Superman, but WBD didn't say anything). I hope I'm wrong, but why is it that Gal Gabot mentioned this WW3 movie (maybe she accidently mentioned it and shouldn't have!!!) my point is, how come James Gunn wasn't on his social media account with such big news first?!!! Now again maybe she broke some kind of embargo and that's why Gunn hasn't mentioning it. I just think it's all BS whether Gabot is in on this or not, I don't know, but seriously I don't think this movie will see the light of day........

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120937361#Comment_120937361

To be honest after thinking about it for a bit, I'm nearly wondering if it's a move by Gadot to try make it seem like people would be excited for her to return as Wonder Woman in the hopes she can persuade Gunn to keep her in the role.

Agent Coulson

Reading what storyboard artist Jay Oliva has been saying about what the plans for Affleck's Batman and what the Flash trilogy would have been going forward had the Snyderverse continued it actually sounds like it would have been fun not saying they would have worked however they do sound like they would be fun to watch.

Batman

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/ben-affleck-batman-movie-built-80-years-batman-mythos/

The Flash

https://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-the-flash-movie-plan-dceu-reboot/

The White Wolf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120937521#Comment_120937521

I think it's more a case of Gal calling their bluff. If Gunn and Safran really did give her some wishy washy non committal that they wanted her involved, then she has every right to talk about it until Gunn publicly denies it.

Since the beginning of the DCU being announced, it was clear Gunn was trying to please everyone. If you play that game it's bound to bite you in the ass at some point, and I can respect Gal for not letting it go. Affleck did the same thing, only he rejected Gunn's claims outright that he wanted him involved as well.

I'm a fan of Gunn and just watched GotG3, which I found to be very good, but I haven't been convinced so far in his role as a studio head.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120932802#Comment_120932802

I love Gadot as Wonder Women.

If it had been up to me I would have built the reboot around her and Cavill. However a total reboot is necessary and I cannot for the life of me figure out what Gunn is thinking.

He is keeping John Cena and his Peacemaker cast, keeping the same Waller, Blue Beetle is canon then it isn’t, he is keeping Momoa, he keeping Gadot.

Yet, Superman and company are all being recast. Cavill like. He loves playing the part.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120936851#Comment_120936851

I can’t think of anyone to be honest, but I’m sure there is many actresses out there.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120937521#Comment_120937521

That would be a risky thing to do.

If Gunn came out saying it wasn’t true she would look like a fool.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945769#Comment_120945769

Gunn never has any problem calling out news sites and stuff on Twitter when they post false stuff, but I'd say he'd be a lot more tactful about Gadot, and maybe praise her work as WW but say they've decided to recast; not throw Gadot under the bus or say that what she said wasn't true, but give her a respectful out all the same. But yeah, it'd be a risky move which could backfire. I just fail to see why Gunn would want to keep Gadot on, especially after how awful WW1984 apparently was (haven't seen it myself), and with most of the other JL actors leaving and being recast.

I really don't think she's worth retaining, and Gunn has a great eye for casting new talent. Maybe they have had brief discussions but given that Gunn has already revealed the initial slate of content for Phase 1 of the new DCU which didn't include WW3, keeping on Gadot doesn't make a lot of sense because they're going for a new younger Superman, but then keeping on Gadot who by the time a theoretical WW3 is made would have been playing the role for 10 years and likely doesn't have many more years after that.

Regardless of my own opinion of her as an actress, better to cast new Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman actors who can do the role for the next 10+ years.

Slutmonkey57b

The problem with the Snyderverse was never the cast, because I think they all fitted their roles well and did a good job. The problem was the scripts, direction, cgi, and poor artistic choices at a high level. You only have to look at the turnaround in public opinion on batfleck, going from one of the most hated announcements at the time to people loving him.

So in some ways it makes sense that gunn is keeping some of them, but I would say at this point it's difficult to see how he plans to stitch all this back together again.

GeneHunt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120937361#Comment_120937361

I stand corrected, apparently James Gunn did mention he was working with Gadot within the comments on Instagram months ago.

https://kincir.com/movie/cinema/james-gunn-ungkap-nasib-gal-gadot-ezra-miller-dc-universe-wjuca1zzqlqimz/

GeneHunt

Apparently David Ayer says James Gunn is going to release a directors cut of his movie, Suicide Squad (2016)

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/david-ayer-james-gunn-suicide-squad-ayer-cut-release-1235689924/

Drumpot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120955020#Comment_120955020

This is interesting, if it’s anything like Snyder JL it will be great.

I thought SS was a great idea and had great promise.

I know some people think it’s not great that these things get alternative releases but I don’t see the issue. Hollywood is a mess at the best times, releasing the same sh!t in a different package. Getting better versions of existing movies is by no means the worst development. And I’m more interested in seeing the differences between what the director wanted and studio interference then I am in seeing most marvel or DC coming soon movies.

Brief_Lives

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120955791#Comment_120955791

I thought Zack Schnyder' JUstice league was the 3rd best superhero movie I have seen. The extended version of Batman v Superman, was an improvement.

Suicide Squad was just a big mess. I've almost forgotten in thankfully. Some big evil cloud was the ending, right?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120956055#Comment_120956055

And belly dancing, let's not forget that (or, actually, can we???)

Drumpot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120956055#Comment_120956055

Evil cloud; are you confusing that with Green lantern?

I thought at the end you have the Witch lady turning everybody into zombies. She was waving her arms and spreading out some cloud but can’t remember what that was doing.

Makes me think of the old hoola hoop dance

https://youtu.be/NmTaG1CTlnU

Brief_Lives

oh yeah.... (shakes fist in the general direction of hollywood)

Penn

Yeah, it was a skybeam rather than evil cloud, plus her brother became a fire monster thing.

God that entire film was awful... I'm really not sure a directors cut could salvage it.

Slutmonkey57b

A director's cut might include loads of extra footage with Jared Leto as "stupid pimp Joker", and haven't the fans been desperately crying out for that?

Drumpot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120956158#Comment_120956158

With the writers strike, it’s actually the perfect time for these sort of ideas to get done.

Sudden Valley

I actually didnt mind the original Suicide Squad, it wouldnt have been so bad if they had a totally different villain but a directors cut wont solve that problem. But it shows was a mess the DCEU is in. Director cuts of flops, actors being replaced then not being replaced, three different actors playing Batman at the same time.

James Gunn is not filling me with hope, just at this moment.

pixelburp

As a curio I'd be inclined towards the Ayer cut - but only purely as an intellectual thing, stopping short at wanting to watch the damn thing all over again.

Unlike Joss Whedon's Justice League, which went through extensive reshoots to fundamentally mangle the original tone & execution, AFAIK the theatrical cut of Suicide Squad remained relatively intact and was simply destroyed in the editing room. I'm sure there were some reshoots as a consequence, but I doubt anything close to what Synder's Justice League endured in comparison.

Critically the choices made with Ayer's Suicide Squad didn't work, and I severely doubt a different cut would fix those issues.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120936851#Comment_120936851

Before I thought Megan Fox would have done

Now maybe Elodie Yung (from the tv series Daredevil)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120957518#Comment_120957518

No way they are casting someone over 40 for a near immortal demi-goddess franchise role

Lu Tze

Maybe Monica Barbaro of fubar/ top gun maverick

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120957541#Comment_120957541

Probably but imho Elodie don't look 42

pixelburp

Or. They could just own the ageing and cast an older woman; why not? I think it'd be a good role model to not have this thing where once your 40, you're too old now go play a mum or granny.

We've had a few female versions of the "geriaction" genre; so we could have a 40-50 year old Wonder Woman, experienced but still resolute. No worries about a few greys or losing the young women's shape - that'd be part of the character.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120956158#Comment_120956158

A fire monster that was apparently killed by an explosion. Because fires weak to fire.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120957569#Comment_120957569

I did think Robin Wright was awesome in WW

Rebecca Ferugson is kick ass in MI

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120957569#Comment_120957569

Happy to have an older Bats but Superman and WW are two characters who age at glacial rates, her more than him AFAIK.

It's a core element of their characters and no way you're having a contemporary franchise with actors that old.

Cavill would have had a bit more in him but I doubt anyone would start as Supes with him north of 40 either

Agent Coulson

Wonder Woman 3’ Won’t Fly in the New DC Universe, Despite Gal Gadot Teasing Development Plans

Despite recent comments from Gal Gadot claiming DC heads James Gunn and Peter Safran told her they would develop “Wonder Woman 3” together, sources with knowledge of the situation tell Variety that is not the case. According to the sources, a third “Wonder Woman” film is not in development at DC Studios nor do Gunn and Safran have plans at this time for any “Wonder Woman” project in the new DC Universe other than their previously announced “Paradise Lost” prequel series for Max.

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/gal-gadot-wonder-woman-3-not-in-development-1235693545/

Slutmonkey57b

While less shambolic than the handling of cavill, this doesn't make anyone involved look competent.

ThePott

I like Gunn but the way this stuff is being handled leaves a lot to be desired. I don't know is he he just afraid of hurting feelings or what but he needs to be direct. This makes nobody look good and only adds to the narrative that DC is still a shambles.

CastorTroy

So is anyone here planning on going to the cinema to see Blue Beetle? Not sure why they thought a film originally planned for Max should get a theatrical release when better known DC comic adaptations didn't do well.

Maybe makes a bit more sense in the US where they can target the Latino population.

Seems to be getting a positive reaction so far.

Brief_Lives

zero interest.