DC cinematic universe general stuff

Jon Stark

Only fair that we get our DC equivalent to the Marvel thread. :pac:

Anyway, Zack Snyder has posted on Twitter the first image of Jason Momoa as Aquaman. Hard to judge the look without the context of a proper theatrical setting but it looks solid enough to me. I do find it jarring though and I think Snyder has done himself and Momoa a disservice here by posting an official "unofficial" image.

http://m.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a630222/zack-snyder-reveals-first-look-of-jason-momoa-as-aquaman.html

Edit Please keep it general lads, there's more than Dawn of Justice in the pipeline! For example Suicide Squad is the immediate aftermath of BVS.

Varik

Looking forward to the TV stuff more than the movies, they don't tie in at all but loving Constantine.

The green lantern movie wasnt great butliked ryan reynolds and mark strong, not sure if Reynolds would be good for justice league

Sad Professor

Sorry, OP, but I’m locking this. There’s nothing in the shared DC cinematic universe to talk about at the moment except Man of Steel and Snyder’s upcoming Justice League film, which there’s already a thread for discussing. There’s no need for two threads discussing the same thing.

Sad Professor

The OP has convinced me to re-open this, but can we please keep the focus on DC and the shared universe as a whole? There’s already a separate thread for Snyder’s Batman v Superman/Justice League film. Lets the keep the overlap to a minimum.

spacecoyote

To be honest I think, meh, when I see this image. He looks a bit like an extra from 300 or something.

The colour palette is just boring at this stage. There's colour & life to the MCU, the DCU appears to be entirely grey & brown

oxygen

Would the dc universe be better off going down the full on magic route,rather than Marvels technology so advanced it's indistinguishable from magic. Shazam is very magic based,as are aquaman and wonder woman. Even Supermans weakness is magic.

Marvel have already called Dc Strange's powers quantum physics based...

I think it would be ther better option

Brief_Lives

Are DC correct in having a Flash tv series and a Flash Movie character, both totally separate entities..
I know there is an Arrow tv series, Flash tv series, Gotham tv series and there is a Supergirl tv series starting... a few of them are on different networks, so again not complete crossover.. The Arrow and Flash do crossover..

I think it's stupid. People are loving the Flash character right now and they are going to try to force another version on people, just makes no sense

Jon Stark

Yeah I don't think there's any need for 2 Flashes but truth be told by the time we get the Flash solo film the TV series could be winding down. That being said Grant Gustin has done an excellent job, no reason why he couldn't have gone toe to toe with the likes of Cavill who has underwhelmed me slightly.

I think the separate movie and TV universes is just a symptom of DC and WB being careless with the characters at their disposal a couple of years ago. If Arrow and The Flash were only beginning now I've no doubt they would have been weaved into the cinematic universe.

Nervous Wreck

The thing is, they could easily still weave them in. But they're too scared. Gustin is a strong enough actor to carry a solo Flash film and most of his supporting cast would do well in one. But what they're going to do instead is make a 'gritty, edgy' Flash movie to tie in with the rest of the franchise, completely obliterating the actual character, who is one of DCs most fun properties. I don't know why they seem to assume that what worked for Nolan with Batman needs to be replicated across all of their characters but they're really missing the point with it. It's like the people making these movies have never actually read the comics.

It would be so easy to tie both shows to DC Cinema Universe. Ffs with Arrow, Flash and Atom it's showing how easy it is to have characters interacting, without hurting each other.
Olly is all gritty, Barry much more lighthearted and Palmer a mix of both. They all play well without everything being brown.

They should have had the big three of Supes, Bats and WW in stand alone films; slightly smaller characters like Flash having a series with potential standalone and characters like Green Arrow and say Atom series only.
All characters from stand alones and series then tie together in Justice League film(s)

TonyD79

If they have given the green light for a different Flash in the movies while one is on TV then surely they can let the Flash-Arrow series to introduce any DC character they like.

StaticAge11

The only problem I could see is that for the general appeal of the movies, having a character in a tv series and then show up in the movie, some parts of the audience may be alienated as they don't keep up with the series.

I keep up with Arrow and Flash myself, and would love to see them in the Justice league as I believe Gustin and Amell have nailed those characters. But I can see why they won't.

I hope for the Flash movie we get something unique, and not just a rehash of a storyline the tv series has already covered

Jon Stark

Can't see a weave happening given Brandon Routh is part of a TV universe. Then again, I don't think the general audience would remember he was Superman. :pac:

TheDoc

Have to admit, as a fan of DC over Marvel ,I'm struggling bit time with Arrow and Flash TV series.

There is something about them that annoys me. I think they just don't fit in with all the TV stuff I'm watching at the moment. They are like something I would expect to see on a Saturday afternoon, not primetime adult viewing.

I don't know if it's because the acting is hammy, or corny or something, but I've tried multiple times to get through a few episodes of both and being like " ah **** this ****". I've struggled even with Gotham up until the last two episodes.

Might try get a clear run at Arrow again.

Jon Stark

Flash and Arrow are very much CW shows that want the young teen audience so it can be hard to stomach both shows at times. I prefer the Flash though as for me Arrow does a lot of "borrowing" from another certain DC character. The Flash seems to a fully fledged adaptation and must admit that I enjoy it.

Gotham is an infuriating case as often it has a one step forward two steps back kind of thing going on. Ben Mckenzie is still hitting the same bum notes as he was in the pilot which I find disappointing.

TheDoc

Jon Stark wrote: »

Flash and Arrow are very much CW shows that want the young teen audience so it can be hard to stomach both shows at times. I prefer the Flash though as for me Arrow does a lot of "borrowing" from another certain DC character. The Flash seems to a fully fledged adaptation and must admit that I enjoy it.

Gotham is an infuriating case as often it has a one step forward two steps back kind of thing going on. Ben Mckenzie is still hitting the same bum notes as he was in the pilot which I find disappointing.

Yeah that might be it, that it a bit too "teeny" and I might be assuming it will be more adult themed going by the initial trailers and things that came out. I'm not even a season down into Arrow, but both seem striking.

Episode to episode dealing with a baddie, while giving a little screentime to an underflowing story that will take up the season.

pixelburp

I've found both Arrow and Gotham extremely hard to get into: Gotham's a total trainwreck and contains some of the worst writing, plotting and dialogue I've experienced in quite some time from a well-funded, primetime show. A genuine missed opportunity.

Arrow I've not watched as much, but still found it fairly tedious in places. 'teeny' sounds about right: it feels so shallow and empty, full of gloss, perfect hair and angsty romantic triangles that braindead teens would love. Haven't watched The Flash mind you so can't comment.

TheDoc

I've been "told" that Arrow grows out of that **** a little bit, definitely the love interested and triangles made it extremely difficult to get into. I'd scoff and struggle with "love" stuff at the best of times in any show, but Arrow was extremely tedious with a lot of time giving to the **** about the sister and all that jazz.

Gotham I struggled with big time, and felt it was an opportunity missed early on to really catch the hype ahead of the Ben Affleck introduction in the cinemas. However I think the show has got to grips with itself a little in the recent episodes. I think the casting of Gordon is probably the struggle as well. I kind of get annoyed when he is onscreen and find him a bit " too intense" and not sure if revolving the show around him was a wise idea.

Again it's that receipe of ep to ep cop solves case with underlying story going on. On reflection I probably would have warned to the show more if it was centric on Penguin, or even Edward Nigma being more of a centre, with Gordon being an extenstion of that focus.

Not a strictly DC thing though, I gave the Marvel TV shows a quick look and discarded them. With so much top quality TV series on, I guess with me your impressing me early with your first 2 episodes of you sit in my back catalogue

TheDoc

OSI wrote: »

It's funny, I find DC struggle with live action and excel at animation, whereas I find the exact opposite with Marvel. Arrow and The Flash both feel like something you'd have watched on a Saturday afternoon after re-runs of Airwolf or during Live and Kicking in the early 90s or something. They just don't have any immersion factor to them.

The above is exactly the feeling I've had, it's hard to put into a proper descriptive word, but that's basically it.

It just doesn't feel right for essentially prime time TV

Lithium93_

I'll just leave this here

Margot Robbie Confirms Harley Quinn Multi-Picture Deal

http://comicbook.com/2015/02/24/margot-robbie-confirms-harley-quinn-multi-picture-deal/

Callanutd

Arrow has totally JTS lately, gone from being a solid show to just a bit ridiculous. The DC universe does seem a bit chaotic at the minute. We have seen the suicide squad in Arrow, The Flash has a show already. I think they may regret having different versions of the same characters in play all at the same time. Amanda Waller is gearing up to play a large role in Arrow yet we have a new untied in movie out next year with her suicide squad.

Callanutd

Callanutd wrote: »

Arrow has totally JTS lately, gone from being a solid show to just a bit ridiculous. The DC universe does seem a bit chaotic at the minute. We have seen the suicide squad in Arrow, The Flash has a show already. I think they may regret having different versions of the same characters in play all at the same time. Amanda Waller is gearing up to play a large role in Arrow yet we have a new untied in movie out next year with her suicide squad.

I think that having them exist as separate entities is a good idea. Much as I enjoy the DC characters and the world I really have no interest in catching up with multiple series of a show such as Arrow so as to know what is going on in the films. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is a show I tried to watch but the first few episodes were dreadful and it may improve as many claim but I have no interest in finding out. If it gets to be a case where I need to watch 22-40 episodes of TV a year so as to keep up with what is happening on the big screen then I won't bother with them

Tefral

Deleted User wrote: »

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is a show I tried to watch but the first few episodes were dreadful and it may improve as many claim but I have no interest in finding out.

Genuinely it actually does get so so much better. Thought the same as yourself and came back to it recently!

Anyway! Great casting choice in Margot for Harley Quinn

Loughc

cronin_j wrote: »

Genuinely it actually does get so so much better. Thought the same as yourself and came back to it recently!

Anyway! Great casting choice in Margot for Harley Quinn

At what stages does S.H.I.E.L.D. get better? I'm currently on Season 1 Episode 9 and finding it a hard slog. I keep sticking with it as I've heard it improves and the Coulson subplot has me interested, I just need to know there's light at the end of the tunnel.

Tefral

Loughc wrote: »

At what stages does S.H.I.E.L.D. get better? I'm currently on Season 1 Episode 9 and finding it a hard slog. I keep sticking with it as I've heard it improves and the Coulson subplot has me interested, I just need to know there's light at the end of the tunnel.

It certainly picks up past ep 12, ep 14 onwards is where it becomes very interesting

cronin_j

cronin_j wrote: »

Genuinely it actually does get so so much better. Thought the same as yourself and came back to it recently!

Anyway! Great casting choice in Margot for Harley Quinn

I have no doubts that it improves but there's so much great TV out there that it's hard to suffer through 12 or so episodes of bad TV in order to get to the good stuff.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I have no doubts that it improves but there's so much great TV out there that it's hard to suffer through 12 or so episodes of bad TV in order to get to the good stuff.

Remember that attitude would have had Star Trek TNG cancelled immediately.
It takes time for some shows to find their feet and AoS is pretty much required viewing at this stage

Jon Stark

I've found it difficult to invest time in AoS but I'm following the plot just in case I miss any big development for the MCU. I find it quite difficult to watch Whedonesque shows which is funny because I used to love Buffy when I was a kid. There just seems to be a desperation for everyone to have witty dialogue and be cool. I always appreciate the guy's ability to handle an ensemble though.

Anyway, on topic, Leto apparently said he's putting on a lot of weight. The TDKR Joker always seemed quite stocky to me.

TheDoc

Put the Marvel guff in the other thread where it belongs

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Remember that attitude would have had Star Trek TNG cancelled immediately.
It takes time for some shows to find their feet and AoS is pretty much required viewing at this stage

I will give any science fiction show a season to find its feet but honestly the first episodes of Agents of Shield were 90s Power Rangers bad.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I will give any science fiction show a season to find its feet but honestly the first episodes of Agents of Shield were 90s Power Rangers bad.

You are totally right but you owe it to yourself to push through to at least the tie in with Captain America 2

pixelburp

Deleted User wrote: »

I will give any science fiction show a season to find its feet but honestly the first episodes of Agents of Shield were 90s Power Rangers bad.

As someone who utterly hated the first half of Agents of SHIELD, and had no problem raging on it within its own thread, I can hand on heart say that once the Captain America 2 tie-in kicks off, the show pretty much gets rebooted into a much superior form.

Don't get me wrong, there are still faults and even in season 2 the writing demonstrates it's not yet grown out of cliché with its characters, but it's a genuinely enjoyable, thrilling show with legitimate stakes and threats now.

bringing it back to DC, Agents habe become a huge part of that universe and is setting up movie plots years out.
Feel like DC is missing a beat on that

Lithium93_

Will The Joker be teased/introduced via a post credits scene after Dawn Of Justice to set up the Suicide Squad film.

The Golden Miller

Problem with DC is that they always went out of their way to market Batman and Superman so heavily, that they forgot to market any of their other characters in anything other than a half-hearted way. Marvel on the other sewn the seeds of promoting a wide range of their characters through many forms of media a long time ago and and it's now paying dividends. Before all these comic film universes, we all knew the X-men and Wolverine, Spider-man, the Hulk, Daredevil, the Fantastic 4, several of the Avengers etc. The general public is far more familiar with their character roster than DC's, so it's far easier to sell the films. DC are gonna have a massive uphill battler trying to sell the likes of Aquaman, Shazam and even the Wonder Woman film to the public and then pull in the figures anywhere close to what Marvel is making

Brief_Lives

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Problem with DC is that they always went out of their way to market Batman and Superman so heavily, that they forgot to market any of their other characters in anything other than a half-hearted way. Marvel on the other sewn the seeds of promoting a wide range of their characters through many forms of media a long time ago and and it's now paying dividends. Before all these comic film universes, we all knew the X-men and Wolverine, Spider-man, the Hulk, Daredevil, the Fantastic 4, several of the Avengers etc. The general public is far more familiar with their character roster than DC's, so it's far easier to sell the films. DC are gonna have a massive uphill battler trying to sell the likes of Aquaman, Shazam and even the Wonder Woman film to the public and then pull in the figures anywhere close to what Marvel is making

it´s true... I´m no comic expert, but i´d be handy in a comic book pub quiz and I have no idea who this Shazam character is... even watching The Arrow, I had no idea who have these characters are, unless they were attached to batman comics in some way..

ancapailldorcha

Deleted User wrote: »

I will give any science fiction show a season to find its feet but honestly the first episodes of Agents of Shield were 90s Power Rangers bad.

Power Rangers was fun though. AoS on the other hand was just a collection of the Marvel films' weaknesses.

the baby bull elephant

Brief_Lives wrote: »

it´s true... I´m no comic expert, but i´d be handy in a comic book pub quiz and I have no idea who this Shazam character is... even watching The Arrow, I had no idea who have these characters are, unless they were attached to batman comics in some way..

You might know him as Captain Marvel? As the character has been know for most of his run.

brianregan09

When people think of Captain Marvel though , They'll think of the Marvel Version, I wouldn't agree that no one knows any DC characters outside of Superman and Batman though

When i was a youngfella before i got into comics i had definitley heard of Wonder Woman , Flash and Green Lantern possibly Aqua Man too, But thats it I just find the deeper you delve into the DC universe you go the more silly and corny some of the characters are, How are DC ever going to get the likes of Plastic Man , Mr Terrific and other sillyish characters going in the future

Mr Freeze

brianregan09 wrote: »

When people think of Captain Marvel though , They'll think of the Marvel Version, I wouldn't agree that no one knows any DC characters outside of Superman and Batman though

I don't even know what the Marvel version looks like.

maximoose

brianregan09 wrote: »

How are DC ever going to get the likes of Plastic Man , Mr Terrific and other sillyish characters going in the future

I doubt they'll try, to be fair Marvel has it's fair share of ridiculous characters too!

FunLover18

maximoose wrote: »

I doubt they'll try, to be fair Marvel has it's fair share of ridiculous characters too!

Sirsok

Dc have a great collection of recognisable villains , more so then marvel so that's where they might excell, granted most of the recognisable villains are batman ones but they have a advantage in that department

The Golden Miller

Sirsok wrote: »

Dc have a great collection of recognisable villains , more so then marvel so that's where they might excell, granted most of the recognisable villains are batman ones but they have a advantage in that department

They do have a great collection alright, but I wouldn't necessarily say they have better or more recognisable villains than Marvel, bar the Joker, as Spider-man by himself has a massive collection of recognisable villains. I used to remember watching the Batman cartoons during the mornings when I was a kid and used to think they repeated the same villains alot, as if they were struggling once you got outside the Joker, Penguin, Bane, Scarecrow and one or two others. Poisn Ivy maybe, Ra's-al-ghul and Mr. Freeze who I know from the films? Oh and Harley Quinn who was always in the cartoons. Is there a Batman villain named Crocodile too? Thinks that's it really. With Spider-man you had Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Lizard, Electro, Sandman, Hobgoblin, Kraven, Vulture, Scorpian, Shocker, Kingpin, Mysterio, Rhino and a few more I could name off the top of my head. I'm not sure if they are all recognisable and I'm not a huge fan of either character, but I can recall far more Spider-man villains than I ever could with Batman. For me it just seems with DC, they seem content to trot out the same popular characters again and again, whereas Marvel didn't, and now have far greater variety to work with because of it

Bacchus

The Golden Miller wrote: »

They do have a great collection alright, but I wouldn't necessarily say they have better or more recognisable villains than Marvel, bar the Joker, as Spider-man by himself has a massive collection of recognisable villains. I used to remember watching the Batman cartoons during the mornings when I was a kid and used to think they repeated the same villains alot, as if they were struggling once you go outside the Joker, Penguin, Bane, Scarecrow and one or two others. With Spider-man you had Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Lizard, Electro, Sandman, Hobgoblin, Kraven, Vulture, Scorpian, Shocker, Kingpin, Mysterio, Rhino and a few more I could name off the top of my head. I'm not sure if they are all recognisable and I'm not a huge fan of either character, but I can recall far more Spider-man villains than I ever could with Batman. For me it just seems with DC, they seem content to trot out the same popular characters again and again, whereas Marvel didn't, and now have far greater variety to work with because of it

Selective memory at work... Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Riddler, Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Two-Face.

Batman has plenty of fantastic villains and it is most definitely the trump card that DC have over Marvel - particularly so when you consider there has only been one villain of interest in the MCU so far - Loki.

Bacchus

You edited your post as I posted my reply. You're still being unfair to the quality of villains that are available to DC, and they're just the Batman ones... though TBH, I don't know much about the villains for Aquaman, Wonder Woman or the other DC heroes.

The Golden Miller

Bacchus wrote: »

Selective memory at work... Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Riddler, Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Two-Face.

Batman has plenty of fantastic villains and it is most definitely the trump card that DC have over Marvel - particularly so when you consider there has only been one villain of interest in the MCU so far - Loki.

Ye forgot about a few of those. Maybe he does trump Spider-man in that department, but just about

The Golden Miller

Bacchus wrote: »

You edited your post as I posted my reply. You're still being unfair to the quality of villains that are available to DC, and they're just the Batman ones... though TBH, I don't know much about the villains for Aquaman, Wonder Woman or the other DC heroes.

Ye sorry, edited when a few more came to me. Only saw your post after

Mr Freeze

The Golden Miller wrote: »

collection of recognisable villains. I used to remember watching the Batman cartoons during the mornings when I was a kid and used to think they repeated the same villains alot...

Batman The Animated Series?

That had around 16 recurring main villains and a further (nearly 20) minor villains that had anything from 1 to numerous appearances.

And that list grows when you include The New Batman Adventures or Gotham Knights....

Granted The Joker was the main recurring villain, but since it was Mark Hamill and nearly every episode with him was great, I'm not complaining.

I couldn't even watch that 1994 Spider man animated series, it was so inferior compared to Batman,

The Golden Miller

Can't remember which cartoon Batman series it was. Just so many Batman cartoons out around that period. Can't wait to see Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn though. Will be smokin' hot