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Colder this week, some wintry/snow showers, widespread frost and ice.

  • 04-12-2022 7:03pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,918 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog



    Forecast chat thread for this, hopefully, event

    Ok I'll give it a go! It's a marginal situation, a lot of uncertainty and specifics would be a bit too unwise right now but lets get the ball rolling!

    What is for sure...

    Main points:

    • Turning colder from the north
    • Night time frost and icy patches
    • Some wintry falls and some snow
    • Could be beginning of longer period of much colder weather

    Possible warning level - Snow - Yellow

    From Tuesday night on turning notably colder with some wintry showers especially near windward coasts in the north and northwest and, at times, along Atlantic coasts and the southwest. Later, toward the weekend, the higher risk may extend to the east coast.

    In terms of snow potential - over 200 meters is a good bet but to lower levels at times too with a more organised band of showers moving south some time Thursday night/Friday morning which could leave a couple of centimeters just about anywhere.

    Mostly at low levels the showers will be a messy mix of rain/sleet/snow but inland spots always the better chance of seeing snowfall.

    Temperatures:

    From Wednesday onward daytime temperatures really struggle above freezing to around 2 or 3c max away from immediate windward coasts of the north/northwest/west/southwest but anywhere snow accumulates staying around freezing for daylight hours. On windward coasts 4 - 6c max.

    Night time minima from Wednesday onward inland, particularly the southeast, down to -3 or -4c but that depends on cloud cover as well as there will be showers moving through at times. Between 0 and -2c will be the normal widespread night time minima.

    Frost and ice will be slow to clear during daylight hours and in sheltered spots may see out the days in the second half of the week.

    There is a lot of uncertainty because of the synoptic situation later next week when we will be near centers of low pressure from time to time making wind direction quite variable and this impacts depending on the direction. It will stay very cold throughout with wintry showers but for snow it's really narrow margins for the second half of the week for low elevations.

    The big question right now is whether this is a blip or part of a much longer period of deeper cold weather maybe the following week. The synoptic situation is unusual and there every chance of sharper cold weather later on.

    We need to wait and see how things unfold but I'll be updating the thread as things become clearer.

    Apologies can't be more accurate just yet but it will be exciting watching it developing or crash all the same! 😀


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  • Registered Users Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    Needs work on the title



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 3mom4


    Yay! Kermit is back and a thread is going 😁 Game on 🙏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bazlers


    No matter what the outcome it certainly is a very intersting time for watching this unfold.

    Thanks Kermit and to everyone elses knowledgeable input to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,918 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users Posts: 49 Sleepy Joseph


    Will this be like 2010 or 2018?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭Reckless Abandonment


    I need to bring my mother's cat to the vet everyday next week .. should I cancel it .. the vet also has to fly in daily from abroad will his flight be disrupted??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,506 ✭✭✭SpitfireIV


    Are you driving from Inisturk to Dublin airport? If so make sure it's not one of the days you have to put the wheelie bins out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,459 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    What I've mostly been reading is for cold muck.. I'm not really expecting any snowscapes. Not where I am anyway in North Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,459 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    UKMO, GEM, GFS, ICON all indicate a continuation of the cold spell beyond next weekend.

    The latest ECM is very similar to the 0z output.

    Cold air flooding south by Wednesday.

    Friday below.

    The low emanating from west of the Azores is still an issue and briefly introduces a much milder airmass late on Monday through Wednesday with a likely return to colder weather thereafter.


    Pressure chart animation below.


    Summary

    It will be bitterly cold Wednesday through to weekend . The track and intensity of the Azores low as well as subtle changes in the Greenland blocking high will dictate the longevity of the cold spell. The ECM is on its own with this afternoon's model output but it has been rather consistent on the path of that LP system.

    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    Neither, and if you live on the immediate coast in the northwest, west or southwest its a non event.

    Inland though it will feel bitter and wintry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,459 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭esposito


    I bet graupel will be common along east coast like it was in previous cold spells. Probably a mixture of snow and graupel showers for Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Even as recently as 2020, we had had our first dustings by this stage of the month:


    New Moon



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Latest GFS has very little in the way of precipitation for Dublin and the east in general, we may get a dusting at some point. The projections for snow has diminished a lot since yesterday. Still time for this to change to something more favourable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,711 ✭✭✭squonk


    From a west coastal standpoint this looks to me like just a bit of a cold spell. Nothing that spectacular even and I’m expecting cold rain. I still think this is a regular cold Shiel with a a few acute showers that is getting turned into Emmma 2.0 in the minds of some.



  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Another damp squid on the way. Teachers will want the schools closed. Sun is shining in my garden.... etc etc etc



    Edit for the benefit of the humourless : squib was purposefully spelt wrong. Jeez.

    Post edited by Crocodile Booze on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    Ecm clusters show that the operational run was out on its own with the mild surge so a correction in the 0z run is likely.


    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,220 ✭✭✭pad199207


    A very seasonal and cold week ahead! Much much different to recent Decembers and it always feels that bit more special this side of Christmas.

    Take it as a bonus if you get some snowfall!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Game on, too early to nail on the details but Thursday onwards looks like greatest potential.

    Probably Tuesday before we can start speculation on where and when gets the sneachta (hopefully).

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Little snowy old me


    Looks like a cold spell for most. Maybe some snow in favoured locations. Not getting excited about it but still, its nice to get some normal winter weather. Better than mild muck from the Atlantic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,520 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Met Eireann giving the north and north west the best case for snow in the next 3-4 days. After that mentions wintry showers but no location.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,918 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,587 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    12z ECM still tracking the subtropical origin low across Ireland and Britain on day 10 but GFS swats it away. However even the ECM solution looks like a 1-2 day interruption and reload. Duration of cold ??? at this point. Coldest uppers appear to be Thursday -Friday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,600 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ah here, if people are going to use the phrase, at least get it right.

    Damp squib.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,918 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Interesting to see the 18z ICON moving toward the establishment of an easterly/north-easterly flow by Saturday with the trough sinking south. It's something that's there in the background as a decent possibility but we'd need more models on board sooner rather than later. All depends on a smashed up jet stream playing ball.

    Ordinarily the Jet Stream is one main ribbon of air (with a smaller southern arm) well defined pointing like a vindictive finger towards our shores which normally brings us our angry Atlantic systems.

    On that note spare a thought for anyone who's booked a holiday to Portuguese or Spanish beaches the next couple of weeks, they will be getting our more traditional type weather for this time of year for a while.

    Post edited by Kermit.de.frog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    We are in an easterly now, and it's pissing rain.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Raining here in the commons in the Burren too.

    I'd say if there's precipitation next weekend it'll whiten the upper valleys. Especially Caherconnell ringfort and that walk towards it.

    It has a micro climate and if snow's it'll stay for a few days as long as the easterly breeze is keeping it at the right temperature. It's a nice quiet place too. The valley's get a nice dept if it sticks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    I hope all the pessimistic posts are of the reverse psychology version.

    Met Eireann have their advisory out, they ain't putting it out for nothing.

    Once this cold sets in which is Tuesday afternoon/evening we'll be in full swing.

    Enjoy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,918 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    GFS having a go now too at an easterly component possibly setting in over the weekend. In fact it's a very good run for coldies prolonging cold and with snow risk to varying degrees throughout to at least the following Monday. We could be looking at a progressively colder period of weather for the longer term rather than something short lived.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Will i start with the Brennans bread jokes now....or will i leave it for a few days?

    Either way, ye are getting them.....

    I actually was in dunnes earlier....and i got 2 slice pans....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    18z is excellent and results in quite a protracted and wintry cold spell for the country. 12z ECM route is not well supported by its ensembles, but of course that’s where we could end up, however unlikely.

    Game on as far as I’m concerned, enjoy whatever cold/snow we get this week and weekend- and beyond that is very uncertain. I bet we end up in an easterly flow sometime the following week with further height rises to our north and lows sliding to our south. GFS hinting at that option this evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,918 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    12z ECM route is not well supported by its ensembles

    Understatement of the year! It's as far out there in it's own ensemble set as Jupiter is in comparison to Earth's orbit of the sun 😅


    ICON eyeing the easterly component too tonight. Promising.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 932 ✭✭✭snowstorm445


    For once it looks like Britain and Ireland will be getting the brunt of the cold and wintry weather this time! Here in Belgium things look chilly for the next week or so, but not exceptionally so and mostly dry. Snowfall looks pretty sparse. We're on the wrong side of that northeasterly flow for the most part.

    Would be great to see Ireland getting a nice pasting for a change after missing out so often!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,357 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Of course they are, its arse covering in this time of fuel poverty, because such an advisory will release resources to assist those in need. And it will certainly feel cold regardless, but there won't be snow and ice in low lying areas.

    There is no need for an event thread for this, its a few days of typical winter temperatures, in winter. Imagine!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    ..



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Mod Note : Larbre34 you need to tone down your remarks both here and in the FI thread. People can have different opinions without the hostility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan


    I check into the weather forum roughly once a year but without checking I knew who this poster was going to be.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    There's never an actual need for an event thread, that's what Met E etc are for. This is a discussion that clearly lots of us want to have so having a dedicated thread makes sense. If next week turns out to be meh, no one has lost anything, it's just a bit of fun. I'm very much on the fence re this "event" myself I should say but all in favour of the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭feargantae


    Prayin' to Jaysus for some sneachta!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭bassy


    Roll on may and a summer schorcerî



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    I believe it needs a cat scan because it's not feline well.

    I'm sorry, I was going for the purfect joke. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Just get it all sorted in time for Santa CLAWS...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    As soon as I saw the met is advisory.. And it is colder already... Had to break out all my winter blankets last night..

    Let it snow! Apart from a few bits I am all stocked for Christmas. Although offshore we get less... Last time we had a real snowfest I was stranded up in the Bluestacks and kind boardsies with 4 wheel drives arrived with supplies ...

    We all need some... joy! A snowfest means that.. ... As long as we oldies are safe.. Sheer joy... walking with snowflakes melting on your face... Ahhh BLISS!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    ECM, GFS and UKMO are all excellent this morning, as I thought might be the case, the deep low in the Atlantic can’t make any real progress and eventually disrupts south east under the block, reinvigorating the cold flow from our north east. Confidence remains low, but if the models are anywhere close to the solution this morning, this week could just be the tease before next week… ❄️

    A step closer towards a sustained and severe spell. FI is about +120hrs at the moment due to the very large changes we are seeing on some runs though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Donegal Ken


    Today or tomorrow there will also be probably a briefing with the councils, Met Éireann & government officials in relation to the possible risks ahead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭torres9kop


    I’m stocking up today on food supplies. Have my fire logs and fuel. Just incase 😄



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,155 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Mod Note: Stop the bickering! Some posts deleted.



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