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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    There's a certain skill to it obviously, you'd have to time it perfect, pick the right corner and keep your gearbox out of the wall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭KillerShamrock


    Sad to see Mick go I think there is potential there maybe with a more experience and a different team he would do better. He isn't the worst driver on the grid at least and has some merit to be there unlike the 2 Canadians who just don't deserve the seats imo.


    So many rumors about the max checo thing I think I was just Max's ego more than anything. Not Monaco or mexico or Max's ma 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,041 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


    On the one hand, I'm sad to see him go as I think he's done enough (just about) to deserve a third season. He was miles quicker than his team mate last year. Unfortunately nobody rates Mazepin so it doesn't count for much. He had a bad first half of this season, consistently being beaten by Magnusson who had just come off the bench, but he's improved a fair bit to the point where he's roughly at the same level as Magnusson now.

    On the other hand though, I think it's fairly clear at this point that he's not destined to follow in his father's footsteps. A decent midfield driver is probably the maximum of his potential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    So Max had to cover up for Perez cheating on his wife at Monaco. It all makes sense now.

    (see Max mother deleted post)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Joeface


    Mick's Problem is he just didn't get enough out of the car .

    If you look at the bottom of table an just ignore the points , just even look at the time in the top 10. Lance Stroll whether you like him or not or hate his Daddy's money he kinda secures his place on the grid . 7 points finishes in that tractor is an extremely good performance over the year.

    Mick has had been too far away from the points all the time .

    Zhou as rookie gets a by because its his first season but he looks really good and competent as a driver ( Actually the best rookie in the last few years in my opinion) .He has had 3 points finishes had has been around P11 and P12 close to points far more times than Mick .

    Alex Albon in a crap car worse than the Aston has had 3 top 10s and a good few at least challenging for the points .

    I think Haas believe that with Hulk they can grab a few more match Kevin at least with maybe 5 points finishes they would be extracting loads from the car. Mick just seemed to get stuck at a level . whether it is the car or not you would have liked to see him at least challenge more often.

    It is Rough at the top of any sport .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,041 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I suspect the AM isn't as bad as peoppe make out. Its still a poor man's mercedes which should mean it's a decebt midfield car. I think they have two poor drivers and the car is good at some tracks, bad at some tracks and in between at most tracks.

    I expect Alonso to get way more from it than either of the current drivers are managing and I expect him to leave Stroll in the ha'penny place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Joeface


    Alonso Will probably leave Lance in his wake , but the point remains . Stroll will still get points over the season which is what puts head of Yuki , Mick Latifi for a seat . Hell he has even out performed Daniel Ric this season .

    Stroll has a huge weakness and it's not the not looking in his mirrors . It's he is way to f*in Reactionary at times. Which is why he has penalty points , they were just stupid an unnecessary from him and as painful as it is typing it he has some strong points . Very good on Tire management and Strategy the team give him . And for some stupid reason he is one of the best starters on the grid . No Idea what he is doing differently but is always +2 places even more at the end of the first lap.It is some of those traits that keep him there picking up points over the season. At least he is challenging for them more often than not.

    Mick was just not able to achieve that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,401 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Stroll is better than Schumacher. I'd take Stroll over 3 drivers on this year's grid, easy (Yuki, Ricciardo and Mick).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Joeface




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,401 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Oh I forgot about him, I've been ignoring him all year. So add Goatifi to the list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


    It's pointless comparing drivers in different cars.

    Surprisingly, your chart shows that Mick actually outfinished Kevin 9-7 in races where they both finished. Unfortunately for Mick, it seems the races he did well in were ones where the car wasn't particualrly strong. So some bad luck combined with wrecking the car a few times makes his season seem worse than it really was IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Joeface


    In the end your left comparing against drivers in different cars. You have to look at have they extracted as much as possible out of the machinery they are using to be in the fight for points.

    If Albon is in the fight for points more times than you than you have an issue as he is clearly maximizing that car and it is not a good car. Mick is just found a little wanting in some area's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    The AM is pretty clearly the worst car on the grid at most tracks. Nyck de Vries even said as much when he was asked which car was better after driving both it and the Williams in the same weekend and he said the Williams was the faster package.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    Yeah Mick has on the whole has at the very least matched Kevin. It’s amazing that people can look at the literal numbers that show Mick finished ahead more often and still come to the conclusion he didn’t get enough out of the car.

    Kevin was faster in the early part of the season when there were points to be scored. Mick was faster as the year went on, as a younger driver who’s been learning and applying himself and improving. Unfortunately Haas didn’t keep up with the development race so most of his better performances were for non-points positions.

    He’s also generally been given the worse strategy of the two drivers, it felt like Steiner already wanted him out mid season and was happy to continue finding ways to justify that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,966 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    There is talk that Mick could end up at Merc as a reserve driver. I think that would be a good place for him. He is still very young and probably has more to show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,041 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Seems like Riccardo found a home for next year.

    We'll see if it's true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,558 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Ricciardo being a reserve driver would seem like a depressing way to spend a year for a driver thats been in F1 since 2011 or 2012. It might get him a seat in 2024 but surely you'd take the year off to do some other series. RedBull will probably only use him for the odd practice and promo stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,966 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    He could be playing the longer game, getting back into RB when they have a championship winning car isn't a bad cll at all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,041 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    If the relationship with Perez goes down the toilet, they might need a driver for 2024.

    It's worth a punt for Ricciardo and maybe for Red Bull too if he shows he's fast when he's in the Red Bull.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,899 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Ya I think it's about as good as it gets for Ricciardo at this stage with no seats available for next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,617 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Logan Sargeant has secured the super licence points needed to take the Williams seat for next year and that's the grid complete I believe.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,785 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
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    That's great. About time there was an American on the grid.

    Hopefully he can do decent at Williams and he will be good for Willimas too maybe get them some more sponsers.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,693 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    If it goes wrong for Logan, he can become a Police Sergeant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,617 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    So, final standings.

    Constructors

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    Drivers

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    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,118 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    well, a a fan of merc and Hamilton, I am glad that season is over.

    Will be very interesting to see if Merc will have solved problems over the summer, or even if they have will Ferreri and RB simply pull further away cause they aren't trying to come from as far back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,041 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    And it will be interesting to see if Hamilton can beat Russell next year. Hamilton struggled at the start of the season but it was nip and tuck between them after that.

    Hamilton (like Alnso) is past his best and he won't get any faster, but he'd still a top driver. Looking forward to that battle again next year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭KillerShamrock


    I'd say they would happily throw the w13 in a skip, toto said they were gonna put them in their receptions to remind them of how bad the car was and all that and inspire them to do better 🤣.

    Don't get this whole oh can a team mate beat Hamilton jazz, button beat him rosberg too so Russell ain't unique. Wasn't lewis trying all the new bits and setups for the first 6 races or something?

    In fairness it's his first season in 15 that he hasn't got a pole or win, most drivers would kill for a stat like that and to be that consistent. I think it's also the first year Seb didn't get a podium could be wrong.

    Just hope merc get it right and we have actual competition/ a three-way fight. Rather than 1 driver winning 15 out of 22 and 1 team winning 17 out of 22 and they were just unlucky for it not to be more.



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