LIV Golf Invitational League...... NO Political/Ethical conflict posts, see Post#2

Going miles off topic but why don’t the Australians make a stronger stance and not turn up to the World Cup.

Liv want world ranking points is quit simple follow the process like any other tour. They just feel things should change to suit them. All this suit of been sorted before Norman started giving cheques and events. Norman and pga history has caused this to be a bigger issue than it should have been

We watched about 10 minutes of it and turned over. Seeing the likes of Reed and GMAC and the others just made me realise I don’t miss them and don’t care if they win or lose in those LIV games.

The geopolitical landscape in the Middle East is incredibly complex, in both its construction and perpetuation.

Doubt many on here getting worked up about it, have thought or read deeply enough about it to understand the underlying forces.

But, yeah golfers chasing the money are devils and should be ostracised, ridiculed and harangued.

There's a line and it's where I say it is

I also do not think the KSA are good advocates for sport. But they're in the position they're in because of the geopolitical situation not because famous golfers are playing in their events.

I was posting in reference to the glee people would be taking in players no longer being able to get ranking points, play in Majors, or maybe even not be able to play on the major tours again if necessary.

The players in taking what they consider the best financial and sporting decision for themselves, I don't think deserve our scorn.

Players signing for Newcastle, Man City and PSG are not held to same scrutiny or condemnation.

I think they're the wrong target if what people want is regime change (I feel we've done enough of that as Western kingmakers), or just greater equality and respect of basic human rights.

I don't think they're equivalent situations though, one was whole clubs and owners acting unilaterally against their own fans and leagues.

If I was a professional golfer on one of the big tours I'd like to think I wouldn't split the game for the sake of a few more million. I think it's selfish and shortsighted, but I don't agree that they should be excluded from majors or not have the opportunity to come back to the tours or game if this venture fails in time.

I guess my main issue is the level of condemnation, I think it's hypocritical.

Absolutely agree with this. Individuals making the best decisions for themselves or their families should be free to do so. I doubt there are many people in the western world who look into the origin of every dollar/euro they ever receive or every product or service they buy.

That's not to say I think the establishment has to necessarily bend over backwards to accommodate LIV and its players, or there can't be ramifications for a player going over, but that to me is a slightly different debate.

Patrick Reed now suing Shane Ryan (who wrote Slaying the Tiger - which is now one of the subjects of the suit) for $250 million. 😲

Worth having a read of the complaint, which has lots about LIV Golf in it. Also lots of characterisations of media people as "mouthpieces of the PGA Tour".

Also, If you haven't read 'Slaying the Tiger', I can highly recommend it. Fascinating reading.

I've been meaning to buy that one. It's on my list. Will accelerate purchase plans now.

Ryan standing firm, Reed has picked a fight with some big hitters, if he loses and has to foot the bill, it will be enormously costly. My guess is that he is hoping LIV will back him financially as he mentions them repeatedly in the filing,

Reeds attorney is a nutter.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/larry-klayman

There's a court hearing in February about it, until then LIV golfers can play on European/DPS tour

What you mean “snuck back”?

he is a member of the tour and allowed to play

I’d share the wheelbarrow with ya….. I’m not greedy 🤣

Well for starters you have me all wrong cause I don’t watch LIV, couldn’t give a toss about it to be honest.

but yes, you did get me interested when you brought up the idea of force feeding deshambles. Bryson de foie gras. 🤣

I can get on board with that sentiment towards the US players, but can't see the logic towards the Europeans tbh. The top Europeans have always played elsewhere (ie PGA Tour) once they get to a certain status in the game. They'd play the bulk of their season in the States and come back for a few select events in Europe, usually to maintain their membership or Ryder Cup eligibility. How is playing the LIV tour and coming back for a few select events in Europe any different ?

Like, as an example, The Memorial is on 1st June next year, which presumably someone like a Rory will play in. The opposite event in Europe is the European Open in Germany. If Rory isn't in Germany, what difference is it to the European Tour what he's doing that week ? He could be playing Jack's event or off fishing for the week, but he's not in Germany. He'll be welcomed back with open arms in September for the Irish and the BMW in Wentworth, and rightly so. If he was playing a LIV event how is that different ? (I know he's not a LIV player). I can't see why a LIV player playing a LIV event (ie not playing in Europe) in a given week is any different. Maybe its just as simple as the European Tour have a rule that you can't be a member of LIV.

All that said, I don't really care either way, I don't like LIV and have watched exactly 1 hole of LIV golf. I don't miss any of the players that have gone, particularly the likes of Sergio, Westwood, Poulter et al., I just can't get the logic of a European Tour ban, especially when the tour is almost on its knees.