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Speeding Q&A superthread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 37 MVR2021


    Hi all, anyone know if Garda can use speed gun while sitting in the car? Or they have to be standing outside in order to use it? I went a little over a speed limit and passed a Garda car parked at the side of the road so now just curious if he was checking speeding or that me being paranoid. I think I’ve seen him moving his hand down while my car passed guards car but it was dark so I could be wrong or paranoid once again 🙈



  • Posts: 864 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They can check from inside the vehicle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23 Robzer


    How long does it usually take to get the ticket in the post?


    Thought I might have been caught between Waterford and Tramore 3 weeks ago but nothing yet


    Suspense is killing me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,932 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    My observation (I live about 5 minutes from 2 regular spots on the motorway) is that regardless of their new tech, they will still chase down anyone they're interested in for speeding.

    If they don't come after you, I figure that you weren't over by enough to make the effort worthwhile, or they're in that spot as a deterrent (which does work as drivers will slow dramatically when they spot the car).

    I was in Cork over the weekend and there was a very bored looking Garda sitting in an unmarked i40 estate between the lanes at the junction of the N28 to N40 (apparently a regular thing I'm told), though he was parked with the rear of the car facing the oncoming traffic. Maybe using ANPR? (assuming it can read cars behind?) But again anywhere else I've seen them they will pull cars in.

    Just my observation and I stand to be corrected though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭Margaret Clarke


    My two brothers and I own a limited company. It turns over a 6 figure sum per year. I’m absent from the country and only do the odd bit of work by proxy but I pump in an equal proportion of my salary but my two brothers take more money out as they do more work.

    There are a few fleet vehicles registered to the company. Large vans that you’d need a C1 licence for (hence why we all did our C test).

    Anyway. I’m rambling. A speeding ticket has been sent and it’s obviously one of the brothers and definitely not me driving as I’m living in Asia.

    The two brothers drive it at any time and it could have been any of them. We keep a logbook of who is driving and when. A speeding ticket has been sent from a Gatso van for a time when no one was driving (they were out of the country) in a location where they usually would drive. 

    The ticket is for Sunday night at 03:12 AM for doing 54 km/h in a 50 zone.

    How can we find the culprit if the time stamp is wrong on the ticket and didn’t match our logbook?


    The time clock in the gatso van was probably off but it caught one of them fair and square.

    They want to know if there’s a way to find out who it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Those cameras are linked to the VMS system and used to calculate the travel time messages on the screens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭wassie




  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭JayPS 2288


    Gardaí can form the opinion you were speeding and can even judge by eye. The speed gun (if one was being used) doesn’t even have to be calibrated. Shït, yes. But them’s the rules.



  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭JayPS 2288


    Static average cameras on M7 and Port Tunnel. Are there any more anywhere else?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Killinator


    No Garda with any sense will do you for speeding by eye, I wouldn't do it and have yet to meet a colleague stupid enough to do it. It's the reason most Gardai who stop you will show you the speed gun, it completely removes an avenue of defence for court.

    If/when it goes to court you will be required to give evidence of speed which is not really possible to the degree necessary for conviction by estimation alone. Any decent solicitor or hell, even an incompetent solicitor would get you off and the Garda would/should get their hole opened by the judge for bringing such a case before them.

    You could of course get done for inconsiderate driving(51A) or at a push, caresless driving (52) but that's a whole other thing.

    There are static cameras as I've been informed here on the Port tunnell and new ones starting on the M7 between Nenagh and Birdhill



  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭JayPS 2288


    Didn’t realise you were a Garda. I was led to believe no calibrated camera was required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Killinator


    As I alluded to, it's not 'required' but better any man then me who gives evidence for the state in a prosecution for speeding without at least a speed gun reading as evidence and leaves themselves open to a hostile defence and likely judge.

    Proof of calibration is not needed, for what it's worth they are calibrated regularly, as are the handheld Dragers (alcometers) and the station breath test machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭wassie


    I believe these views are perpetuated from a legacy of days gone by before accurate speed measurement instruments existed. The law still permits such charges to be tested in a court, but as @Killinator points out, it is open to a robust defence and may not be viewed lightly by the presiding judge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Hi, usually careful driver but due to lack of concentration coming into Galway on a dual carriageway (limit 100) I noticed a speed van about 150-250 metres ahead. I checked my speed at that point as 107 kph and slowed immediately. I think my speedometer is only about 2-3kph over calibrated (if that the right phrase) so probably doing 104 or 105.

    There were no other cars around me.


    I appreciate any opinions/advice on the likelihood of me getting penalty points notice.


    Thanks


    TbL



  • Posts: 864 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zero



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Thank you


    on basis of speed or distance ?


    TbL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,932 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    If you were doing about 104/105 in a 100 when you saw it and started slowing immediately, there's no way you'd get a ticket for that IMO

    You have to be almost beside the back of the van before it takes a picture and by the sounds of it you were probably already at/under 100 by then anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Thanks


    was definitely under 100 kph by the time I was within 100 metres


    TbL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,168 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Do all incidents of speeding caught by camera or speed gun result in fines being issued? Do they allow leeway for less serious transgressions - say travelling 5kph over the limit as opposed to 20kph - and depending on the location where the offence was recorded, be it town, countryside or motorway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Killinator


    Speed gun captures (actual Gardai) have more leeway than GoSafe tend to have (via roadside discretion/informal caution)

    There is no hard and fast (excuse the pun) rule as to what you may be allowed to drive over the limit.

    If they said the limit was 5km over then everyone (speaking in general terms) would then drive everywhere at 105 instead of 100. And following in from that they would start eeking over the 105 as the thought would be 'ah sure they let you go 5km over, and I'm only doing 3 or 4 over that, be grand' and that just grows from there.

    As far as the Gardaí and GoSafe are concerned, the limit is the limit and anything above that is a roll of the dice if you are willing. They will never come out and openly state that you are permitted to go faster than the posted limit within a certain range, for obvious reasons.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14 Jack142


    Hi guys,

    Was leaving Galway city last night and passed a speed van doing around 56 give or take a kilometer in a 50km/h zone. Slowed down coming up to van and was doing 45km/h (which would be around 42km/h given the speedometer over reading). What are the chances of me getting a fine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,932 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    If you were under 50 by the time you passed the back door of the van you'll be grand



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Find out here how much time you gain by speeding.


    https://www.shouldispeed.com/

    TL:dr maybe 10-15 minutes for driving like a lion. Not worth it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,829 ✭✭✭masterboy123


    If the speed camera van is located on the other side of road as you're travelling, could you still get speeding ticket?

    On a N road with max 100 kmph limit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭blackbox




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,829 ✭✭✭masterboy123


    Thanks. I was always curious about this situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,932 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    It can catch people on the other side of the road but only after they've passed the back door and only within a VERY limited range.

    If you've slowed down by the time you hit that point you should be fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,932 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Here's a bit of an odd one for ye...

    Coming home on the motorway tonight and was overtaken as I was just passing under an exit by another car. On the far side of the exit/on ramp blue lights appeared, but it was dark and so I've no clue if it was a squad car, ambulance or fire truck. Anyway, I drove on at 120ish figuring that if it was indeed a speed trap and they wanted me they would catch up for a chat, but the lights never got any closer and disappeared about 2 exits later so either it was the slowest squad car ever or they stopped the other car (which I'd overtaken again at that point), or not one at all.

    I rang the closest station to the junction in question when I got home though and the very decent Garda reckoned that if it was indeed a Garda car and they wanted a word they'd have pulled me in. I asked what the protocol is in such cases - if you're not even sure if it's a Garda car should you slow/pull in? (I didn't think so for obvious safety reasons on a motorway in the dark). He agreed saying their advice is to drive on unless stopped. He said he'd check with the Traffic guys though.

    Strange one anyway.. Anyone ever come across something like this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Something similar happened to Betty & Barney Hill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,932 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I don't think it was Aliens anyway!

    Still, I've rang the traffic division for that area since and the consensus seems to be that if indeed it was a Garda car and they went to the effort of coming after someone, they'd pull them in.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1 kmc 40


    has Anyone come across a mounted camera on the roof of what I thought was a guard keep but maybe ambulance couldn’t distinguish read the word koretec or something like this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,911 ✭✭✭bradlente


    Was on the n4 from Mullingar towards the toll booth last week and spotted a van in the distance on the stretch where the k service station is and speeds drop to 100 briefly. I remember looking down and seeing 107km on the speedometer and dropping off from there, but maybe they picked it up at more or less than that. Wondering what my chances are of getting ticketed? Guess I'll know soon enough.

    Also wanted to know if anyone uses a particular app or dashcam to help with speed limit notifications or camera spots? This would be my second ticket in only a few months and I'll be off the road for 6 months with a third.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭wassie


    Also wanted to know if anyone uses a particular app or dashcam to help with speed limit notifications or camera spots? This would be my second ticket in only a few months and I'll be off the road for 6 months with a third.

    Have a look at Waze - its owned by Google so the mapping is spot on. Its a good app to help you keep your speed in check.

    It will use your phones GPS for speed readings (so it is accurate) and you can set the over limit alerts (visual and audible). It also has crowd sourced alerts/warnings so I find it pretty useful on the motorways to alert for speed vans but obviously should never be relied upon to avoid speed detection.

    Most modern dash cams like Garmin have good speed limit alerts setup also - they are probably slightly better as they use the camera to identify speed signs and hence more reliable than mapping - the more expensive versions also have a few other safety features in built also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,412 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Bloody passing an artic on the south ring yeaterday saw van up ahead speedo was showing about 110,hopefully didnt do me artic had view of van blocked!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭munster87


    Garda speed gun fines are sent out in post these days without the Garda pulling you over?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Killinator


    They can be but rarely, are you sure it was a speed gun and not a gosafe van?

    Post edited by Killinator on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭mikeecho




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭munster87


    Cheers. It was a Garda holding something, could have been one of their cameras, not sure!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Killinator


    Wait, just to confirm, Have you recieved a notice or are you pre-empting it because you were over the limit but not stopped?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭munster87


    Pre-empting!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    saw A gatso parked yesterday behind a bush alongside the Naas Road between Bluebell & the Kylemore X roads, southbound.

    i was okay but it’s a dual carriageway with the inside lane a time restricted bus lane. There was a car coming up the inside of me. If he was speeding that’s his fault but I am asking can a gatso do a vehicle for driving in a bus lane?

    Have to say where the van was parked was very sneaky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Do for what?

    Speeding.. yes.

    anything else, no


    And we don't have gatso's anymore.

    The static ones have been decommissioned and the mobile ones have long since seen the scrap yard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Sorry then what are the mobile white vans called now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Go safe vans.

    The Garda operates ones (if they even exist anymore) are 'ROBOT multanovas' .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    What is the range on Go Safe vans? Every time I pass one of these yokes I am **** myself that I may have accidentally strayed slightly over the limit further back up the road, some people say they don’t get you until you’re on top of them but I think Go Safe themselves claim they can get you up to a KM with a clear line of sight?

    I was driving on the approach to Dunkettle Interchange in Cork which is a 60kph zone but was travelling at 70kph but by the time I was passing the van I was at 60kph again. Bit worried to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭SweetCaliber


    Very short, you've more of a chance of being caught driving away from the back of the van (eg. the other side of the road).

    I remember a poster mentioning between 3 and 5 meters if travelling towards the camera. If travelling away from it, the range would be more as the radar beam is at an angle so spreads more on the other side of the road. Then again you'd have to see the front of the camera van and be stupid enough to continue speeding after passing it..



  • Registered Users Posts: 48 mazzybabsxx


    What are the chances of getting a ticket. I stupidly was driving to work yesterday morning and was doing approx 52 km real speed (GPS odometer) and passed go safe van in 50 km zone. Was driving behind van following his speed without realising until I spotted it right before it as I couldn't see it prior as van was blocking view

    Fretting since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Killinator




  • Registered Users Posts: 48 mazzybabsxx


    Thanks fingers crossed. I wouldn't mind but I'm always careful in the road to work



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