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Winter 2022-23 - General Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭almostthere12


    On the 18z still looks like the high will drift off up towards Greenland but a few days later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭Cumhachtach


    See that now. 16 days away, what could possibly go wrong 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Yep. Moderation in all things please!

    The really "funny " thing is that when we DO get eg heavy snow, there is sheer chaos when these folk realise how hard it makes even walking to the gate. And cities grind to a halt...

    Lovely to look at but.... The ferryman was telling me about the last snowy winter when the boats filled up with snow..

    And thanks for reminding me to check my shopping list and cupboards ....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402


    It is said that humans went out to discover the moon, but ended up discovering the Earth instead-


    During times when the weather here is quiet or miserable, there is always room to take a more expansive view of our home planet as presently the North pole turns deeper into the dark hemisphere of the Earth as a component of a larger view where the planet turns once to the Sun as a function of the orbital motion of the Earth. The North pole was located on the planet's divisor on the September Equinox-



    There always times for spectacular weather events and like them just as much as anyone else yet the offer is there to appreciate what makes winter possible and why storms appear more likely in our region in winter than when the Earth is another position in its circuit of the Sun.


    I wouldn't see it as an either/or choice between weather and planetary motions which cause seasonal changes, sometimes one is more appropriate to consider than the other depending on whether things are busy or quiet on the weather front so they are complimentary hence they belong in both a weather forum, a solar system research forum or indeed many other others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    First snow in Moscow yesterday.

    Only a matter of time till it reaches us 🙃



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,302 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    First of many wacky charts to come from the ECM this morning showing a big evaporative cooling rain to heavy snow event on 15th Nov. This is not gonna happen or extremely unlikely if one is to be pedantic. EC is infamous for overdoing evap cooling.

    This probably should have gone in FI charts or autumn discussion but ah well.

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    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 26,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    All I read was SNOWMAGGEDON confirmed for Nov 15th. Thank you @sryanbruen

    The lifeboat has set sail



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno


    Casting my memory back to December 10th 2017 and that was a memorable and large cooling rain to heavy snow event. Unfortunately many in the east missed out owing to marine air mixing in - however after you got more than 30 miles or 40 miles inland it was a winter wonderland for many in the midlands and inland west.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,302 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    The Wicklow mountains did great from it, the elevation made all the difference that day on this side of the country. There was a northerly prior to that though, EC in comparison is southerly and then westerly with a deep low and cooler air on its northern side. It reminds me of 19 November 1996 which gave an early taste of winter to some and a deluge for Dublin.

    Here's a lovely video from 10 Dec 2017 at Lough Tay.


    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭snowstorm445


    I remember it well, travelled back from Cork to Dublin the day after and the snow cover fizzled out somewhere between Kildare and Laois. First time I think most of Ireland had seen snow on that level since 2010, to be fair.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno


    Indeed there was a northerly on the Friday before (8th) so cold air was lurking just to the north, so the slider low (NW to SE) didn't shift it away and instead dragged it in over us once the low slid SE.

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    Quite a gradient on the 850s that night with +5c over the far SW and -2c over the NE!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 699 ✭✭✭tiegan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,302 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Who remembers the ECM 106cm snow depth from last November near Danno's neck of the woods? 😂

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    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno


    Still waiting for that! Perhaps the ECM got the year wrong and it's for 27th November 2022!*

    * grasps at straws



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭Hooter23


    Those charts in about a weeks time do look like they could change alot and go from just wet and windy into potential full blown storms..we'll see sure only a matter of time anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,529 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Is there any end in sight to this spell of warm air coming up from the South that has brought us so much rain over the past month or more?

    Is it all to do with the jet stream getting suck in place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,408 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    About all we could suggest is that the very mild spell will gradually transition to near average temperatures after mid-month. GFS temperature projections are generally in the range of 8-12 C daytime hours by then, and near frosts returning at night. Personally I don't think there is much hope for truly winter synoptics until some time in early to mid December (if even then), there likely won't be any 2010 style pattern reversals on that same time scale. However, this is supposed to be autumn not winter so might as well keep any wintry potential for the coldest months, right?

    By the way, I have full-on winter here, we were running very warm to 20 Oct then the pattern flipped to cool, followed by this snowstorm we just had yesterday (25 cm on ground), now it's below freezing at noon here, and partly cloudy. We went from being a month later than normal to a month earlier, in just three weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,249 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Partly the jetstream but mostly because the Azores high keeps getting 'stuck' nearby which keeps patterns remaining in place for a prolonged period. This time, it is (or will be) in over Europe which will keep the warm air pumping over us:

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    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭Niall145


    That weather chart makes me want to punch the computer screen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    We should be transitioning to cooler weather now, the only real true season we seem to have anymore is summer and that’s a push. The other 3 haven’t a fecking notion! Possibly 16/17 degrees on Friday the 11th of November that’s nuts, I’m sure back in late May we hardly broke 12/13 degrees the weather was that bad



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭Hooter23


    People that lived in ireland a long time ago actually only had 2 seasons for the whole year...and they are right because thats what its like...it was probably 9 months of the year winter and 3 months of so called summer if youre lucky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Land of eternal winter as the Romans said



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,529 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I thought these islands were considered to be among the easiest countries in the world to do manual work in.

    This seems likely to be accentuated in the coming years as global warming increases further.

    We should pity our fellow Europeans (and other countries) who may have to suffer heat , drought , hurricanes earthquakes ,pollution and wildfires over the coming years (as well as periodic floods)


    We are surely lucky overall even if the present month plus long spell of weather is indeed of no use to man nor beast



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM



    Just wondering what people think about this? SSW events more likely, also no indication of how long this cooling effect might last, years or decades?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 145 ✭✭KingJeremy


    Would be great to hear from some of the knowledgeable members on here what they think of this ⬆️

    May not be a popular opinion but I would love a guarantee of some colder and more seasonable weather in the horizon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭highdef


    Very interesting article alright and it tallies up with the unusually cold and wet conditions recently experienced in summer hemisphere countries, particularly in parts of Australasia. This would in some ways explain the unusually warm conditions in the northern hemisphere during the same period. Generally, the overall temperature across the whole planet remains fairly static, when averaged out. So if a large area of the planet becomes cooler due to a vast area of water vapour preventing solar radiation from reaching into the lower reaches of the atmosphere, one could expect a corresponding area of the planet to warm up, in order to keep the overall temperature stable.

    The problem with this theory is that it is not man-made "climate change" so doesn't fit into the climate-change agenda therefore it most likely won't get much media attention. It's not desirable that the population could think that the unusual weather of 2022 was caused by natural causes.

    I for one would like the media to latch on to this report and for it to gain traction. Would be interesting to see where it goes! I may have a chat with some people who could make that happen ;-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,529 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Do you take us for thickos?

    Of course there are natural events that influence the climate as well as anthropogenic warming.Get up the yard with your "climate-change agenda"


    We are the agenda that climate change has on its agenda.


    If only climate deniers were the first species to become extinct.


    A very interesting and detailed article (but too hard for me to follow-even the graphs are not easy to follow) but I note the conclusion is "watch this space " and not "hey,we got a new theory"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Actually not the case,the last 30years have been the wettest in several centuries, less rain/moderate levels, drought not unusual.

    Decent weather the norm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭highdef


    I'm certainly not denying that climate change is not a thing. Climate naturally changes over time, we know that. What I meant is that the theory suggested in the article suggests that a lot the highly unusual weather across the globe during 2022 can be attributed to the water vapour release into the atmosphere as a direct result of the volcanic eruption of Hunga Tonga. If the article is to be believed (and it seems rather plausible), then it would mean that a lot of media reports of unusual/extreme weather events during 2022 that were reported as being directly caused due to human kinds interference, were in fact false information. I'm not saying the media outlets were knowingly spreading false information (if this article proves to be correct at some point) but it would be a significant contribution to the general awareness of climate change.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,529 ✭✭✭amandstu


    You are clearly trying to hang your hat on a phenomenon that "plausibly"allows you to downplay the consequences of anthropogenic climate change.


    "I'm certainly not denying that climate change is not a thing".

    give me a break



    We can have both anthropogenic global warming and impactful natural disruptions to the climate at the same time.

    Anthropogenic global warming is ongoing and will detrimentally affect our climate for as long as (and after) we continue to put these gases into the atmosphere.


    I don't know the climate science behind the Tonga eruption but that article shows that it is being studied ,and not in some partisan way to change public opinion which would backfire if that was done to any serious extent.



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