Nvidia RTX Discussion

Caseking have the 4090 up on their website

https://www.caseking.de/en/pc-components/graphics-cards/nvidia/geforce-rtx-4090

Just Zotac at the moment

OcUK's physical shop is gone from Stoke now - they're online only.

The steamcharts represent what people have, not necessarily what they want but true it is about as good of a current state metric as we have. Taking a different tack outside of pushing the envelope DLSS is a 'free' 30% plus performance boost on Quality mode, more if you drop modes - with little to no image impact. My point about 4K/RT/60Hz plus is the extreme but the point still stands it's a great technology and can benefit any card that can run it. Now of course coverage is not 100% in game compatibility so it's not like saying the cards across the board effectively have 30% over their standard performance when considering price but I'd say at least half of the major graphically intensive titles out there have it as an option. It's a much bigger plus to me than RT and a definite consideration in purchasing when I know that even with equal raster performance if a game supports DLSS I can run it 30%+ better than a competing card.

Also my point specifically to Adversarial was the assertion that 60Hz is the norm for displays regardless of what your GPU can hit under load, the vast majority of even low price monitors in the last 4-5 years have been above this because those higher rates benefit general use too. You literally prove my point in being someone not trying to push super high end fidelity GPU-wise but have a 240Hz monitor (which as you know aren't cheap either, I imagine a lot of folks would laugh at what you paid for it in the same way you do at the price of the top tier Nvidia cards). Additionally the higher the response rate of your display the more FPS matters. Try 60Hz on an OLED, 'tis not pretty...

Every generation there are folks crying that whoever buys X is nuts, each level laughing at whoever bought the next one up. There's always diminishing returns the higher you go in any area, and folks who are willing to pay it because it's for something they love. I'm also an audiophile and believe me that makes the video market look like peanuts there :). I wish they were cheaper too but tbh with the massive inflation we are only just starting to see and the glut of older but still great models being sold right now I expected them to be even higher.

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BTW Adversarial this is not an extended go at you either, I called you out by name here simply to focus the point in that paragraph. Healthy debate is good, it's fun :) .

Just a FYI, steam charts represent global figures too. The spending power of a American/European is vastly different to other parts of the world.

Yup I get it improves latency across the board (with the potential for an impact to frame smoothness even with non-DLSS) and after posting I did what I should have done initially and watch the entire video where they discuss the same point :} . But DLSS 3 is a different beast from 1 and 2 in that those previous versions were just outright attempts to improve FPS in a linear way with response time, FPS was directly inversely proportional to response time and perceived input-lag. DLSS 3's interpolation is purely visual, though of apparently insanely high quality for the realtime/FPS it's doing in their test games. So to me it's kinda like Double and then triple buffering during the evolution of gaming (and I'm old so that's going way back) in that they improved Vsync enabled experiences to a point but then became a hindrance because of the input-lag they introduced as native FPS improved. Diminishing returns led to I think most folks disabling buffering these days, and the improvements of Vsync modes in concert with VRR/Gsync etc.

Basically I agree with DF's assumption that this is a great FPS improvement only where super-low-latency response is not a requirement. And that the apparent requirement by Nvidia to couple it with Reflex options is an excellent mitigation. IF devs stick with this combo I think it will be just as much of a game-changer as DLSS2 was when introduced. But if some of those devs cut corners, and/or introduce it where it's not optimal it will malign the tech.

In any scaling operation there are really 2 vectors, Vertical and Horizontal. Vertical for improvements in single instance perf, horizontal in how you can take the existing tech and make it scale higher via intelligent distribution. With CPUs we see vertical in IPC and clockspeed, Horizontal in core-count increases (and techs like hyperthreading, or more recently Intel's P-Core/E-core balancing). As much as they are far from an ideal company you can't fault Nvidia for scaling in both directions each gen. They aren't just throwing more cores at the problem vertically they are very intelligently scaling horizontally with DLSS and other techs at the same time. I think DLSS3 even though in ways a step back in it's principals (well sideways with a historic vision) is a massive step forward in that respect.

Anyone getting the 4090 on release day?

I reckon ill be but I need confirmation on the PSU stuff

I have a 850 W PSU and still trying to figure out will that be sufficient or not

Also ill need to sell my current 3080 as well

This gave me a good laugh

They say that Asus card is the biggest card ever

How much? :D

Looks like the FEs will be sold via Scan again.