solve the housing problem easily...some solutions?

Boggles · 23-09-2022 10:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654239#Comment_119654239

Ban AirBNB

You have ran the numbers and formulated the overall cost to the tourist sector?

Personally I think letting hotels gauge more would destroy our reputation internationally and would extremely adversely effect what is a lucrative industry, especially to more rural places and excellent inventions like the Wild Atlantic Way, etc.

Again, not just my opinion.

THE STATE’S TOURISM development agency has said that without home-sharing sites like Airbnb, Ireland’s deteriorating reputation as a good deal for holidaymakers would be even worse

Del2005 · 23-09-2022 10:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653917#Comment_119653917

The vehicles in the driveways would not support that. They may start off in low paid jobs but a lot get better paid jobs and still keep the cheap rent.

All of which is irrelevant because we don't have the builders to build housing, try getting a builder for an extension or new build you are waiting years and you won't be called back for a small job , and they won't come here because we've no housing.

lawrencesummers · 23-09-2022 10:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653803#Comment_119653803

Ghettos you mean, More ballymuns, and cherry orchards?

Look where that has gotten us in the past.

The new model of social housing spread around is actually much better, not perfect but much better.

MayoSalmon · 23-09-2022 11:02am

Government needs to stop profiteering off of housing firstly.

UK Government just today has removed Stamp Duty for all first time buyers up to 450,000. Id go further and just get rid of Stamp and VAT on housing alltogether.

Stop taxing landlords 52% marginal on rental income...

ancapailldorcha · 23-09-2022 11:02am

Stand up to NIMBYs, create an apprentice scheme to the people who'll actually build the new homes and invest in the infrastructure to support them.

Can't see any Irish government ever doing it though. Would require too much work and you'd have the usual bien pensants complaining. Parish pump politics is anathema to innovative projects sadly.

nigeldaniel · 23-09-2022 11:05am

If county councils were not 'sewn up in red tape' I suspect things would improve. There are also too many busybodies from political units in opposition holding up developments and generally deliberately getting in the way to make the government look bad, and that has to stop.

hello2020 · 23-09-2022 11:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653458#Comment_119653458

more demand means more money for everyone involved :)

so this wont be addressed ..as capitalist banks and economy needs to show growth which needs ever increase in demand ..

why do u think there is no cap on immigration which is the main driver behind this growth despite falling birth rates in Europe !!

Tombo2001 · 23-09-2022 11:09am

a recession would do the trick.

enricoh · 23-09-2022 11:10am

If u don't pay the rent for 3 months court order n on your bike.

For EU citizens we are required under EU law to house n give welfare for 6 months. Paddy pays it forever. Anyone here now has 6 months to get a job or bye bye.

Asylum seekers - welcome to Ireland n family repatriation for genuine ones. One appeal n home for spoofers, no more leave to remain or amnesty's.

There's a lot of underutilized council stock, maybe set up an old folks estate n give a lump sum for pensioners downsizing. A lot would be happy to move into a smaller A rated gaff.

Tombo2001 · 23-09-2022 11:11am

Not being facetious - but genuinely, there will most likely be a recession in the next two years which would lead to lots of people leaving the country and housing shortages ceasing to be an issue.

There is a very decent chance that will happen, as it happened 15 years ago.

Of course then, the 'public' will completely forget that there is still a long term structural shortage of houses, the media will stop writing about it, and politicians will stop planning for it. As happened 15 years ago.

lawrencesummers · 23-09-2022 11:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654291#Comment_119654291

The problem with that is builders will not pass on the decrease.

What has to happen immediately is taking rent paid into account when calculating first time buyers ability to handle mortgage repayments. To many people are trapped paying rent over and above what a mortgage would be but are getting turned down for a mortgage.

CorkRed93 · 23-09-2022 11:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654271#Comment_119654271

airbnb has strayed far from what it initially intended to do not just in ireland but worldwide.

its a joke that councils/ahbs are competing with regular citizens for housing. as someone said above, they should only be allowed to build , not buy.

ancapailldorcha · 23-09-2022 11:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654336#Comment_119654336

And who's going to be lending in this recession? Who's going to be earning enough to save for an absurd deposit in a recession? It's the young graduates who're most likely to emigrate en masse taking the state's investment with them.

CorkRed93 · 23-09-2022 11:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654320#Comment_119654320

why/

screamer · 23-09-2022 11:16am

Planning permission needs a total overhaul, a lot of stalling caused by nimby mentality. Takes too long to get approved also. We need fast tracking.

council housing should have a simple straightforward design, no bits stuck on here, bay windows etc, they should be rectangular shaped simple structures, which are quick, easy and cheapest to build and one set of plans, not wasting money on architects etc.

to relieve presssure at the moment, mobile home parks should be allowed also to provide temporary accommodation.

the standards that we are expected to build houses to are too high, adding significant expense. Again, I think this is just to be the “best boys” but that’s no use when we’re homeless. That needs a looking at also.

In towns and villages, road frontage land should be cpo’d to build houses. Farms need an entrance they don’t need miles of land. If cpo is not possible then land in areas which are deemed acceptable for building on (towns and villages) the farmers should pay vacant property tax on the road frontage.

old vacant houses should also be cpo’d and either renovated or flattened to build new housing.

Boggles · 23-09-2022 11:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654355#Comment_119654355

What were they initially intended for and what have they strayed into?

lawrencesummers · 23-09-2022 11:19am

A lot of interesting points being made here but lets all remember.

The only solution to the lack of supply is to increase supply, the lack of supply has been going on for years so it will take years to rectify and little ideas here and there, and government schemes here and there might help a tiny tiny bit but the overall problem still exists, a lack of supply.

On that the gov PLANS to have 33k houses completed a year for the next 10 years, so they might do well and get 20k or 25k.

David McWilliams reckons you need 50k a year.

The problem is supply and thats not getting fixed anytime soon.

EOQRTL · 23-09-2022 11:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654131#Comment_119654131

And prices too match.

EOQRTL · 23-09-2022 11:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654279#Comment_119654279

"The vehicles in their driveways"?? I live in a part social and part affordable housing estate and the people in social housing are driving older cars than you'd see in private areas and of that there is no doubt. Nobody owns an electric car that in itself tells a story.

Also as stated before rent goes up as wages go up. They do not stay the same.

lawrencesummers · 23-09-2022 11:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654370#Comment_119654370

Housing standards are required for a lot of very valid and well established reasons, in fact they should be strengthened if anything not reduced.

How much is the Mica issue going to cost joe soap taxpayer?

farmers paying vacant property tax for land thats in use in areas where people don't want to live and often don't have services. Hairbrained.

EOQRTL · 23-09-2022 11:24am

The only way to solve the housing crisis is too build more units and build up if at all possible. Turning on those in social housing or the poor is just Trump playbook tactics.

ancapailldorcha · 23-09-2022 11:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654384#Comment_119654384

I'm all for increasing supply but there are real problems there. Who's going to build the houses to begin with? Where to these workers come from? Do you import them or train them domestically? What about wages? Do you subsidise them or hope that the market will offer a competitive rate?

The biggest problem are the NIMBYs IMO. They contribute nothing and tend to be people who want to hoard wealth. At some point, someone in government is going to have to bite the bullet and stand up to them or face the fact that Ireland is a country hostile to young people with aspirations who lack the bank of Mum and Dad.

I'd quite happily see councils who reject sound plans for sustainable housing financially penalised. Not every project should go ahead but the NIMBY brigade needs to be checked.

screamer · 23-09-2022 11:27am

No the standards are too high, mica is just flying a flag now. Lots of people want to live in towns and villages….. that’s the land I’m talking about and you’re hairbrained if you think people don’t want to live in such places. Tell me, where else would they live? Country side is no longer an option. Hair brained indeed.

Boggles · 23-09-2022 11:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654370#Comment_119654370

So no architects, get rid of housing standards, everyone lives in a box shape, and allow governance to steal private property on mass.

Soviet Ireland?

23-09-2022 11:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654282#Comment_119654282

We have just diluted these issues, they still exist and are now becoming even more difficult to police. There is no reason these areas should turn into ghettos but if they do is that not down to those getting the social supports? Having a functioning society only works if we all work together, I believe social supports are necessary but they should be basic and temporary for most. Those that do not contribute to society long term or engage in criminality should have social supports reduced or removed. The government needs to become leaner and needs to intervene directly in areas like housing in order to make it more affordable for all, the current system of scooping up the private market is not working and is only driving more to require social supports.

donaghs · 23-09-2022 11:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654384#Comment_119654384

Where would we put 50,000 houses, every year? Maybe its time to take a step back and think about what kind of an environment we want to live in?

"Build more and more" can't be the only answer.

screamer · 23-09-2022 11:29am

attention to detail not your strong point. Try re- reading what I wrote before flying off your high horse.

foxsake · 23-09-2022 11:30am

limit (or ban) corporate ownership of homes . One of the great tragedies of NAMA is instead of allowing irish citizens buy the distressed properties they were hawked on to corporate vultures.

enforce strict rules that only citizens will be housed via social housing.

as said above protect landlords against badly behaved tenants and enforce this.

lawrencesummers · 23-09-2022 11:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654431#Comment_119654431

Objections to planning that have merit are upheld. People have a right to object

How many homes are in a position now where planning is granted but work has not started?

A sizeable amount I would imagine, so while some nimby might delay some projects they are not bringing the entire system to a halt

ELM327 · 23-09-2022 11:32am

Build social housing. Put it in decentralized locations. Have one for anyone who wants one. No means test. Have it like health insurance. Every citizen gets a free house at the age of 18 or 21. The house is in clare or athlone. Want a better house? Pay for it. Like VHI.

solve the housing problem easily...some solutions?

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